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Rubirosa · Veteran Member

RE: 1st LT BMOC

Rubirosa · Veteran Member

Rugz wrote:
If you get a chance, the #s for sgts & capts would be greatly appreciated.

Like I said dont remember the exact number but for Sgts it was a big number too, around 100. If I get the exact number I will post it.

No1isbetter · Guru

Rs4u wrote:
No shot 450 LT promoted in this first year or yearly rate. The list would be finished in 3 years

400 is a real good shot & as I explained earlier, 200-225 are going in first 3 classes. Itll slow down for sure but to hit 400-450 in year 1 isnt impossile but that being said, expect 200-250 for the next 3 years.

Spanish mama · Guru

Those are bald claims No1isbetter.

No1isbetter · Guru

Well whats guaranteed is first 2 are 75 & 75. So well be at 150. 250 divided by the rest of the 10 months isnt too far fetched. 350 would be a great start to 2024. 300 is the average which kills the list in 4 years.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

When is the retro dropping for current Lts. That should help with a spike in more retirements, last I heard there is about 500 Lts with 20+ years eligible to retire. Can anyone with that info actually confirm the 500+ eligible for retirement ?

SBA MIA · Veteran Member

Closer to 600 last time I checked nypd360

Spanish mama · Guru

Theres retro? Did Lts officially settled the contract?

Veteran Member

Futureauxiliary wrote:
When is the retro dropping for current Lts. That should help with a spike in more retirements, last I heard there is about 500 Lts with 20+ years eligible to retire. Can anyone with that info actually confirm the 500+ eligible for retirement ?

Lt retro 2/16 and a 3.5% raise on 3/16. Starting Lt as of 3/16 is $135,595

Spanish mama · Guru

What schedule did they accept? Tours,RDOs

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Spanish mama wrote:
What schedule did they accept? Tours,RDOs

If I am not mistaken they agreed to the 12hr tours. Can anyone with the exact info post the updated tours and paycharts, thanks.

-- Edited by Futureauxiliary on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 03:47:45 AM

Spanish mama · Guru

Futureauxiliary wrote:
Spanish mama wrote:
What schedule did they accept? Tours,RDOs
If I am not mistaken they agreed to the 12hr tours. Can anyone with the exact info post the updated tours and paycharts, thanks.

-- Edited by Futureauxiliary on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 03:47:45 AM

This was posted by another member here months ago. Not sure if any of this is accurate

-- Edited by Spanish mama on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 04:04:58 AM

TenFour16 · Guru

The number is 628. With retirement time as of right now. Thats about 40% of the rank.

-- Edited by TenFour16 on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 10:38:45 AM

nycop80 · Guru

Thats accurate, but ico and admin Lt will stay with 8:45 and the normal 5 days a week.

Spanish mama · Guru

nycop80 wrote:
Thats accurate, but ico and admin Lt will stay with 8:45 and the normal 5 days a week.

so this is not a pilot anymore? Im also hearing some people are doing 10 something tours. Any union guys here?

rookiebit_h · Guru

12345678 wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
When is the retro dropping for current Lts. That should help with a spike in more retirements, last I heard there is about 500 Lts with 20+ years eligible to retire. Can anyone with that info actually confirm the 500+ eligible for retirement ?
Lt retro 2/16 and a 3.5% raise on 3/16. Starting Lt as of 3/16 is $135,595

retro on 2/2

Ticonderoga · Senior Member

nycop80 wrote:
Thats accurate, but ico and admin Lt will stay with 8:45 and the normal 5 days a week.

What happens with your accrued vacation days if you become a 12 hour/ 10 hour tour LT?? Do they convert it over to be less days accordingly ?

Or is it like the admin PO 8:23 scenario getting promoted to SGT and now his vacation days are worth 8:57 ???

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

Supposedly they are going to switch to hours and not days for the 12 hour program once implemented

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Spanish mama wrote:
nycop80 wrote:
Thats accurate, but ico and admin Lt will stay with 8:45 and the normal 5 days a week.

so this is not a pilot anymore? Im also hearing some people are doing 10 something tours. Any union guys here?

As of right now its a pilot program. But for it to be implemented fully city wide they need the Unions on board. 12 hour tours is for patrol. 10 hour tours is for special ops

fodx · Guru

And those hours wont be going up because you'll now get NO CHART DAYS. What a sham.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

12:33hrs on patrol sounds a little brutal.

Spanish mama · Guru

Futureauxiliary wrote:
12:33hrs on patrol sounds a little brutal.

PBA was crying for it. Now they got it. now we got it, but never asked for it. I personally do not want to spend a single minute over 9 hours in moldy department buildings.

-- Edited by Spanish mama on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 03:09:15 PM

Veteran Member

Futureauxiliary wrote:
12:33hrs on patrol sounds a little brutal.

Its 79 more RDOs a year. Thats like 2.5 months off

-- Edited by 12345678 on Tuesday 9th of January 2024 05:03:07 PM

Spanish mama · Guru

Oh btw, its admin uniform in bmoc. No more suits. Whoever is in first class, start getting your stuff together

Futureauxiliary · Guru

These numbers are mere estimates but take a look at this,

-Current Capt List has = 370 remaining
- Lts with 20+yrs eligible to retire = 628
- Current Lt vacancies = 200 approximately

Totaling = 1,198 which is this entire list in 4 years. The Dept knows exactly what they are doing.

SBA MIA · Veteran Member

Thats not even including the hundreds that have 17-19 in both the LT and Capt ranks that will be eligible to retire

Nyc5000 · Senior Member

How do the rdos work? And is 12 hours for all bureaus or just psb

Veteran Member

Nyc5000 wrote:
How do the rdos work? And is 12 hours for all bureaus or just psb

You either have steady Sunday Monday Tuesday with rotating Wednesdays off

or steady Thursday Friday Saturday with rotating Wednesdays

4 on, 3 off

3 on, 4 off

so

week 1

work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday wednesday

RDO Thursday Friday Saturday

week 2

work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday

rdo Wednesday thursday Friday Saturday

I think thats only for platoon commanders on patrol transit and housing

Spanish mama · Guru

12345678 wrote:
Nyc5000 wrote:
How do the rdos work? And is 12 hours for all bureaus or just psb
You either have steady Sunday Monday Tuesday with rotating Wednesdays off
or steady Thursday Friday Saturday with rotating Wednesdays
4 on, 3 off
3 on, 4 off
so
week 1
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday wednesday
RDO Thursday Friday Saturday
week 2
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday
rdo Wednesday thursday Friday Saturday

I think thats only for platoon commanders on patrol transit and housing

so the chart is misleading. it separates plt commanders in to day and night, but they have same rdo's. Who's working the rdos? chart only shows night tour and day tour.

TenFour16 · Guru

Futureauxiliary wrote:
These numbers are mere estimates but take a look at this,

-Current Capt List has = 370 remaining
- Lts with 20+yrs eligible to retire = 628
- Current Lt vacancies = 200 approximately

Totaling = 1,198 which is this entire list in 4 years. The Dept knows exactly what they are doing.

Missing a key point here. Those numbers surely make all the sense. But of course, not all of the 628 will retire.

The kicker lies in the amount of Lts that WILL REACH retirement eligibity in the coming 4 year life span of the list, to add to that 1198. That number that will be eligible in the coming years is well over 500.

So yes. For all the naysayers, the people who the department have doing projections and math, are absolutely spot on.

My prediction. List is finished in less then 4 years. Last 300 get rushed in for a Captains test, and a Lt exam wont be given for a little while after that.

TenFour16 · Guru

Futureauxiliary wrote:
These numbers are mere estimates but take a look at this,

-Current Capt List has = 370 remaining
- Lts with 20+yrs eligible to retire = 628
- Current Lt vacancies = 200 approximately

Totaling = 1,198 which is this entire list in 4 years. The Dept knows exactly what they are doing.

Another key point just so you get the numbers right. You cant add the 628 retirement eligibility to the 370 captains. Because a chunk of that 370, are also currently eligible for retirement. Guys are going to take the promo to captain and not retire for a while that have over 20.

but all in all. The numbers are there regardless.

TenFour16 · Guru

The math has been broken down thoroughly and carefully. In the next 4 years, almost 1700 vacancies in the rank of Lt can open mathematically. Key word being mathematically. Combination of Captains promos and retirement. Assuming all Lts eligible retire and all Captains make it of course. Of course the rate wont be 100%. But its still a high potential number.

This is NOT accounting current Sgts, who will take the rank, be on patrol for a bit, hate it and then retire and BELIEVE ME it does happen.

Nyc5000 · Senior Member

Mathematically every Lt on the job can decide to turn down promotion to captain and decide not to retire as well

A10shun · Senior Member

Anyone hear this crazy rumor of 115-135 lts going in next bmoc?

Truthseeker · Guru

Im told only 100 cleared w 75 being approved for promotion as of now

Veteran Member

Spanish mama wrote:
12345678 wrote:
Nyc5000 wrote:
How do the rdos work? And is 12 hours for all bureaus or just psb
You either have steady Sunday Monday Tuesday with rotating Wednesdays off
or steady Thursday Friday Saturday with rotating Wednesdays
4 on, 3 off
3 on, 4 off
so
week 1
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday wednesday
RDO Thursday Friday Saturday
week 2
work 12:33 Sunday Monday Tuesday
rdo Wednesday thursday Friday Saturday

I think thats only for platoon commanders on patrol transit and housing

so the chart is misleading. it separates plt commanders in to day and night, but they have same rdo's. Who's working the rdos? chart only shows night tour and day tour.

its constructed to work with 4 platoon commanders 2 day and 2 night. With opposite RDOs (either Sunday Monday Tuesday Or thursday Friday Saturday and you rotated the Wednesday). there are talks between union and city about upping the allotment of LTs to make this work but it wont be real until after pilot programs are over and if they decided to implement the tours citywide

Spanish mama · Guru

A10shun wrote:
Anyone hear this crazy rumor of 115-135 lts going in next bmoc?

Depends on the source. Thats a big number though.

wereinbacklog · Guru

Spanish mama wrote:
A10shun wrote:
Anyone hear this crazy rumor of 115-135 lts going in next bmoc?
Depends on the source. Thats a big number though.

100 was the number I was told

Nyc5000 · Senior Member

I still heard 75

Futureauxiliary · Guru

These are all great numbers, 100 would be amazing !

KeyCapt · THE KEY—Instructor

As of this morning 1/10/24, 75 Lt's and Investigators. No other ranks confirmed YET!

Tunit · Senior Member

KeyCapt wrote:
As of this morning 1/10/24, 75 Lt's and Investigators. No other ranks confirmed YET!

#BESTINTHEBUSINESS - i gotchu cap

Spanish mama · Guru

wereinbacklog wrote:
Spanish mama wrote:
A10shun wrote:
Anyone hear this crazy rumor of 115-135 lts going in next bmoc?
Depends on the source. Thats a big number though.
100 was the number I was told

100 cleared or slotted for bmoc?

fodx · Guru

There was a 100 LT class about a year and a half ago, so its happened before.

-- Edited by fodx on Wednesday 10th of January 2024 05:38:55 PM

RachDawg · Senior Member

They usually clear more than they are putting in, so clearing 100 to get 75 makes sense

Truthseeker · Guru

Exactly wat I posted but what do I know

Lucas Hobbs · Member

Can anyone advise the dates of the new LT contract? I believe last one ended February of 2022.

22andOut · Veteran Member

Lucas Hobbs wrote:
Can anyone advise the dates of the new LT contract? I believe last one ended February of 2022.

Feb 16, 2022 - April 15 2027

VetteCop · Senior Member

Truthseeker wrote:
Exactly wat I posted but what do I know

i see you truthseeker, and i appreciate you

Raymond Reddington · Senior Member

VetteCop wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
Exactly wat I posted but what do I know
i see you truthseeker, and i appreciate you

I dont like this truthseeker, this person said the list would drop on Dec 16 but it did not.