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3testwonder · Senior Member

Curve

Itsjustajob · Member

Truthseeker wrote:
You will not be able to verify the info I am going to provide. I really can only tell u bc it was told to me when I inquired. But I promise you the info is from a civil service law attorney who specializes in promotion exams nationwide. Hes very familiar w ny law and the debacle of Dcas previous exams. He stated the 70 passing score for promotional exams is arbitrary. In essence he stated each exam needs to be examined based on difficulty, analyze every question based on total # to get it right while looking at sex race etc. if you notice there has been a law firm involved with test writing since 2016. Theres a reason for that. I know the 70 rule has been around since most of us have been on the job, doesnt mean Dcas was following law. I forgot the case the lawyer mentioned about but I BELIEVE it was a case involving the guardians where this affirmed many many years ago

Everything goes down to race. More woke nonsense. We all took same test to get on, went to same police academy and have same pay. everyone is equal under penal law unless you take a test. then we pick and choose what race has perceived disadvantage, then we give extra points, then everything becomes fare according to woke city government. Just look at your required training videos.

Johnny Zurita · Member

Itsjustajob wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
You will not be able to verify the info I am going to provide. I really can only tell u bc it was told to me when I inquired. But I promise you the info is from a civil service law attorney who specializes in promotion exams nationwide. Hes very familiar w ny law and the debacle of Dcas previous exams. He stated the 70 passing score for promotional exams is arbitrary. In essence he stated each exam needs to be examined based on difficulty, analyze every question based on total # to get it right while looking at sex race etc. if you notice there has been a law firm involved with test writing since 2016. Theres a reason for that. I know the 70 rule has been around since most of us have been on the job, doesnt mean Dcas was following law. I forgot the case the lawyer mentioned about but I BELIEVE it was a case involving the guardians where this affirmed many many years ago
Everything goes down to race. More woke nonsense. We all took same test to get on, went to same police academy and have same pay. everyone is equal under penal law unless you take a test. then we pick and choose what race has perceived disadvantage, then we give extra points, then everything becomes fare according to woke city government. Just look at your required training videos.

Finally someone understood the point of the curve bullshit and even better with 2 days session exams for sgt and Lt.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Curveee! Thank God for race!

cop · Senior Member

I did not pass nor am I close but I am hearing there were different versions of test now just my thoughts how is it fair I may have understood the question was asked on version a then b just curious.

Ucon4real · Veteran Member

BS argument. A good amount people of all different races took this exam with a passing raw score, me being one of them. Almost everyone I know would never accept a handout. Everything they earn is through hard work and dedication. Truth is there are many scammers who will do anything to pass an exam but havent put in any work and that applies to all races.

Braveheart · Senior Member

Beta86 wrote:
I Doubt a 2 week cram got you a 60 on this test.

I got a 62. All I did was read elite and key cram material for 2 weeks. I knew that I was going to fail. I didn't feel confident going in. However if the powers that be chooses to curve this exam and I end up with a 70+ I'll be a fool not to take the promotion.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Uconn shut up lol. U sound dumb. And you did accept a handout cuz you failed the 2017 sgt test

-- Edited by 3testwonder on Sunday 16th of April 2023 11:34:03 PM

VetteCop · Senior Member

Each question should be weighted differently. For example a question on hostage situation should be worth more than a question on the amount of buttons on a coat. Penal law questions should be worth more than asking who supervises auxiliary roll call.

You know, stuff that actually matters. But what do I know.

Ucon4real · Veteran Member

3Testwonder. You are a clown. Take the L. You are a keyboard warrior. So much animosity because you bombed? Youre soft! Cut it out.

-- Edited by Ucon4real on Monday 17th of April 2023 12:01:14 AM

-- Edited by Ucon4real on Monday 17th of April 2023 12:03:23 AM

3testwonder · Senior Member

Lol. Never a keyboard warrior. Covid sgt, you aint getting any covid points this time lmao. And btw I passed this test you covid sgt wink

-- Edited by 3testwonder on Monday 17th of April 2023 12:06:29 AM

VetteCop · Senior Member

When did Covid sergeant become a thing?

Sergeants a sergeant. You were probably mentored by Sgt's LT's and capts who got 50s on their tests before the arbitrary "70" passing score.

Once the new sgt list is out this Covid extension will be a distant memory department wide except for maybe this forum.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Yo whats up with this curve

TransitCop · Senior Member

You all doing too much. We wont know nothing probably until December with the way dcas takes its time.

Ucon4real · Veteran Member

Testwonder. I could tell your cops think the world of you. Based on how you are here, I can tell you are a crap SGT and will be an even worse LT. Youre a loser. Ive been a SGT for 2 years so the Covid BS you are stating doesnt apply to me. Focus on getting your life together. Change your views before you get that white shirt. Clowns like you are the main reason why people on this job want to rank up, lack of leadership.

Johnny Zurita · Member

Ucon4real wrote:
Testwonder. I could tell your cops think the world of you. Based on how you are here, I can tell you are a crap SGT and will be an even worse LT. Youre a loser. Ive been a SGT for 2 years so the Covid BS you are stating doesnt apply to me. Focus on getting your life together. Change your views before you get that white shirt. Clowns like you are the main reason why people on this job want to rank up, lack of leadership.

Youre a big time loser yourself. I bet you did not even score an 70 raw score on the 2017 sgt exam. You got made because of the curve bullshit. SMH

TransitCop · Senior Member

You two need to get a room already

3testwonder · Senior Member

Jajajaja. Oh stop being so sensitive. Covid was good for something at least!

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Please respect the guidelines.

I rise · Senior Member

Its all good dont worry people in the 40,s with enough throwout gets curved then people will really lose it

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Anyone know when the TVB board will start reviewing the protested questions ?

DeptIsaJoke · Member

Beta86 wrote:
I Doubt a 2 week cram got you a 60 on this test.

Agree

DeptIsaJoke · Member

3testwonder wrote:
Lol did you even take this test? A 60 on this test is a 85 on a straightforward exam. Its easy for people to talk when all they have been handed are easy exams. People who studied a full year on this exam either failed, barely passed or got between an 80-85. Unlike the 2017 exam where everyone was getting high80s to 90s. I for one passed the 17 sgt with a high score and personally know those who went from failing to passing with the curve. And to be honest you can call them covid sgt or lt, but majority are good bosses and I personally know a few who were great street cops. So this exam does not gear you to be a better boss in any way. With various versions of these exams being administered, a curve is the only way to ensure fairness!

-- Edited by 3testwonder on Saturday 15th of April 2023 01:14:54 PM

Spot on

Taketheday · Guru

I would 100% watch a Netflix reality show about the amazing comments that go on between people in this chat Reality TV style like 8 Episodes 30 min each..I could watch that

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

I may have failed this Lt exam, but at least I tested positive for HIV

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Please respect the guidelines. Thank you.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

DRpapi whats the word for this Lt. Exam?

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Futureauxiliary wrote:
DRpapi whats the word for this Lt. Exam?

Exam is being expedited. List will be curved. Over 700 passers. Congratulations to all that passed. please dont shoot the messenger.

3testwonder · Senior Member

700? What score is the curve starting at

No1isbetter · Guru

700 passers with throw out plus curve on top or 700 passers with throw-outs & curve combined?

-- Edited by No1isbetter on Tuesday 18th of April 2023 12:18:21 AM

I rise · Senior Member

Its only been 3 days since protest

TenFour16 · Guru

Why is anyone even entertaining this guy and asking him questions.

Hes clearly a troll

VetteCop · Senior Member

TVB hasn't even met yet. How the hell would you even know "over 700 passers"

everyone keeps biting the dr. papi hook

narco26 · Senior Member

Curve lol I would be the first one to start a lawsuit if theirs a curve of any kind!!!!!! The volunteer must wait 7 more years to make LT..

mike16 · Senior Member

There will be a curve no matter what. When you have four different sessions in two different days, they have to curve it to make the pass rate even. Then you have throwouts, at least ten of them. To make the list bigger they have to apply the curve again for all. So if PO Narco starts a lawsuit like he did for the 2017 sgt exam while sitting on a hospitalized prisoner he is most welcome to do that.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

mike16 wrote:
There will be a curve no matter what. When you have four different sessions in two different days, they have to curve it to make the pass rate even. Then you have throwouts, at least ten of them. To make the list bigger they have to apply the curve again for all. So if PO Narco starts a lawsuit like he did for the 2017 sgt exam while sitting on a hospitalized prisoner he is most welcome to do that.

Lmao at the narco comment!

DRPapi1983 · Guru

TenFour16 wrote:
Why is anyone even entertaining this guy and asking him questions.

Hes clearly a troll

Raw passers sir. Clearly you dont understand how this goes so I will explain:

You take a City exam and get a raw score.

City has an immediate number if passers based on raw score.

City holds a Protest Session where you dispUte questions you got incorrect.

AFTER protest, a Test Validation Board (TVB) convenes. At this point, they go over all protested questions and decide which questions will be thrown out, made a double or triple answer(s).

After the TVB decides, the list then gets curved based on some formula (cant get into that right now) then list is sent to the agency (PD, FD, etc.) for publishing.

I was informed 700 raw passers. Please dont shoot the messenger.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

3testwonder wrote:
700? What score is the curve starting at

Its too early to tell

DRPapi1983 · Guru

VetteCop wrote:
TVB hasn't even met yet. How the hell would you even know "over 700 passers"

everyone keeps biting the dr. papi hook

SMH.

No1isbetter · Guru

Yea I mean if it aint coming from Truthseeker than the rest is just nonsense

Truthseeker · Guru

Unfortunately Im pretty useless now. All my ppl retired who would have that intel. Issue nowadays compared to back in the day is the analysis test goes through post taking it. Test writers would know number of raw passers and so would human resource testing unit. Then number of throw outs who be known by tvb members. All this still holds true today but the analysis of test is done by outside law firm so this is info that cant be gathered. As for how long this process takes I wish I knew

Itsjustajob · Member

DRPapi1983 wrote:
3testwonder wrote:
700? What score is the curve starting at
Its too early to tell

Why is anyone listening to this papi guy? All he does is give general statements like newspaper horoscope. Cant anyone see that? over 1500 posts..

No1isbetter · Guru

Because it strokes his ego. Its kinda funny.

jetsetter · Newbie

DRpapi1983 aka Bacalao

TheNarcoRanger · Veteran Member

DRPapi1983 wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
DRpapi whats the word for this Lt. Exam?
Exam is being expedited. List will be curved. Over 700 passers. Congratulations to all that passed. please dont shoot the messenger.

700 raw passers?? Did the 2017 list even have that many that straight up passed?

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

2600 ppl took test. 700 raw passers would equate to over a 25% pass rate which doesnt even come close to whats been reported by every precinct.

Beta86 · Veteran Member

The 2022 Sergeant exam, they said the same thing that it was a low amount of passers and it ended up being 2600 people passed maybe this test is the same way and its a big list.

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

That number was AFTER throwouts. The original amount of passers was much lower.

Papi825 · Senior Member

Beta86 wrote:
The 2022 Sergeant exam, they said the same thing that it was a low amount of passers and it ended up being 2600 people passed maybe this test is the same way and its a big list.

I know someone who originally scored a 63 and ended up on that raw score list. That 2,400 list is after a bunch of throw outs. I heard around 1200 passed originally.

I rise · Senior Member

like 11k people take sgt test taker inwouodnt expect to curve those exams to

much imagine what the list size would be but the LT 2600 a little more that was the size of a sgt List. maybe it will be a big curve after throwouts