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HopeBoss · Senior Member

Will it ever get better ?

Lionel22 · Senior Member

Take as many test as possible . Keep your options open. This job is tough! My boy from my company passed the 2017 test passed and left for MTA . Dont let the pay jump be the reason you stay . Quality of life above all ! So take as many test as possible and keep your options open

brooklynbacon · Guru

No the job will not magically get better as a Sgt. Does it have a great number of perks over being a cop? Absolutely. Is it easier or less work than a cop? No.

1hate6 · Veteran Member

depending how much time you had on too and where you came from as a PO, it doesnt just get better, you go back to the bottom of the barrel with Vacation picks, OT assignments, Days off. it always runs downhill and youre on the bottom of that hill for a while.

yougonow · Guru

Just because you made Sgt is no guarantee you'll make LT or even Captain. Don't let passing one exam get to your head. As noted above, go elsewhere for QOL and PAY. Port Authority cops make insane 6 figure salaries and don't do much real police work and have an awesome tour schedule and have police powers in 2 states. MTA also has the same and you can live/work /police powers tri-state. Literally any job than this job is better in pay and schedule. Take ANY and every exam to get in another job. Don't be fooled by being a Sgt, waiting 5yrs to top pay for $137,000 and get hit with green paper nonstop for ridiculous administrative NONSENSE. I've gotten more CDs as a Sgt than as a PO, and it's not ME, it's 98% of the patrol sgts unless you are an admin pet/rat/kiss ass/you get it.

You'll see as a Sgt if you do one wrong move or something that doesn't jive with what your CO wants via mind reading, you'll be signing the green slip once a month. Again, crap shoot depending on CO and Cmd, but it happens.

Goodluck.

countryroads · Senior Member

yougonow wrote:
Just because you made Sgt is no guarantee you'll make LT or even Captain. Don't let passing one exam get to your head. As noted above, go elsewhere for QOL and PAY. Port Authority cops make insane 6 figure salaries and don't do much real police work and have an awesome tour schedule and have police powers in 2 states. MTA also has the same and you can live/work /police powers tri-state. Literally any job than this job is better in pay and schedule. Take ANY and every exam to get in another job. Don't be fooled by being a Sgt, waiting 5yrs to top pay for $137,000 and get hit with green paper nonstop for ridiculous administrative NONSENSE. I've gotten more CDs as a Sgt than as a PO, and it's not ME, it's 98% of the patrol sgts unless you are an admin pet/rat/kiss ass/you get it.

You'll see as a Sgt if you do one wrong move or something that doesn't jive with what your CO wants via mind reading, you'll be signing the green slip once a month. Again, crap shoot depending on CO and Cmd, but it happens.

Goodluck.

I agree with everything there, except the first sentence. If you're naturally a good studier and test taker, there's no reason why you can't do it again for LT and Cpt, as long as you put in the work. At the risk of sounding like a pompous ass, I scored in the 90s raw on this exam, and I am confident I'll do it again for the next 2 exams. Nevertheless, I would leave for Nassau/Suffolk without hesitation!

brooklynbacon · Guru

countryroads wrote:
yougonow wrote:
Just because you made Sgt is no guarantee you'll make LT or even Captain. Don't let passing one exam get to your head. As noted above, go elsewhere for QOL and PAY. Port Authority cops make insane 6 figure salaries and don't do much real police work and have an awesome tour schedule and have police powers in 2 states. MTA also has the same and you can live/work /police powers tri-state. Literally any job than this job is better in pay and schedule. Take ANY and every exam to get in another job. Don't be fooled by being a Sgt, waiting 5yrs to top pay for $137,000 and get hit with green paper nonstop for ridiculous administrative NONSENSE. I've gotten more CDs as a Sgt than as a PO, and it's not ME, it's 98% of the patrol sgts unless you are an admin pet/rat/kiss ass/you get it.

You'll see as a Sgt if you do one wrong move or something that doesn't jive with what your CO wants via mind reading, you'll be signing the green slip once a month. Again, crap shoot depending on CO and Cmd, but it happens.

Goodluck.
I agree with everything there, except the first sentence. If you're naturally a good studier and test taker, there's no reason why you can't do it again for LT and Cpt, as long as you put in the work. At the risk of sounding like a pompous ass, I scored in the 90s raw on this exam, and I am confident I'll do it again for the next 2 exams. Nevertheless, I would leave for Nassau/Suffolk without hesitation!

Theres people who scored in the mid 90s on the Lt exam who failed or got a low 70s score. A word of advice from someone whos passed every exam: they only get harder.

PD2FD · Guru

countryroads wrote:
yougonow wrote:
Just because you made Sgt is no guarantee you'll make LT or even Captain. Don't let passing one exam get to your head. As noted above, go elsewhere for QOL and PAY. Port Authority cops make insane 6 figure salaries and don't do much real police work and have an awesome tour schedule and have police powers in 2 states. MTA also has the same and you can live/work /police powers tri-state. Literally any job than this job is better in pay and schedule. Take ANY and every exam to get in another job. Don't be fooled by being a Sgt, waiting 5yrs to top pay for $137,000 and get hit with green paper nonstop for ridiculous administrative NONSENSE. I've gotten more CDs as a Sgt than as a PO, and it's not ME, it's 98% of the patrol sgts unless you are an admin pet/rat/kiss ass/you get it.

You'll see as a Sgt if you do one wrong move or something that doesn't jive with what your CO wants via mind reading, you'll be signing the green slip once a month. Again, crap shoot depending on CO and Cmd, but it happens.

Goodluck.
I agree with everything there, except the first sentence. If you're naturally a good studier and test taker, there's no reason why you can't do it again for LT and Cpt, as long as you put in the work. At the risk of sounding like a pompous ass, I scored in the 90s raw on this exam, and I am confident I'll do it again for the next 2 exams. Nevertheless, I would leave for Nassau/Suffolk without hesitation!

Don't let your raw score on the Sgts exam get to your head. Not saying its impossible to score in the 90s on all 3 promotional exams, but like the post above said, it only gets harder. I had a similar mentality, crushed my Sgts and Lts exam and was top of the list on both exams. Passed my Captains exam (barely) and I studied as hard if not harder than the previous exams. It only gets harder so you need to put in more work and dedicate more time than the previous exam.

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

I cant imagine being promoted to sgt or lt and leaving to mta Pd
Unless you live with mommy n daddy, bills are real , ang that pay cut and waiting for top
Is real. However those department that honor your current pay. Ill b out too

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
countryroads wrote:
yougonow wrote:
Just because you made Sgt is no guarantee you'll make LT or even Captain. Don't let passing one exam get to your head. As noted above, go elsewhere for QOL and PAY. Port Authority cops make insane 6 figure salaries and don't do much real police work and have an awesome tour schedule and have police powers in 2 states. MTA also has the same and you can live/work /police powers tri-state. Literally any job than this job is better in pay and schedule. Take ANY and every exam to get in another job. Don't be fooled by being a Sgt, waiting 5yrs to top pay for $137,000 and get hit with green paper nonstop for ridiculous administrative NONSENSE. I've gotten more CDs as a Sgt than as a PO, and it's not ME, it's 98% of the patrol sgts unless you are an admin pet/rat/kiss ass/you get it.

You'll see as a Sgt if you do one wrong move or something that doesn't jive with what your CO wants via mind reading, you'll be signing the green slip once a month. Again, crap shoot depending on CO and Cmd, but it happens.

Goodluck.
I agree with everything there, except the first sentence. If you're naturally a good studier and test taker, there's no reason why you can't do it again for LT and Cpt, as long as you put in the work. At the risk of sounding like a pompous ass, I scored in the 90s raw on this exam, and I am confident I'll do it again for the next 2 exams. Nevertheless, I would leave for Nassau/Suffolk without hesitation!

Theres people who scored in the mid 90s on the Lt exam who failed or got a low 70s score. A word of advice from someone whos passed every exam: they only get harder.

Give us some tips

i know a few ppl that went 3-0

my Xo has passed all three first time w 70s tho

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

Lionel22 wrote:
Take as many test as possible . Keep your options open. This job is tough! My boy from my company passed the 2017 test passed and left for MTA . Dont let the pay jump be the reason you stay . Quality of life above all ! So take as many test as possible and keep your options open

Ppl talk this QOL lol but when you have bills n family to feed. good luck going to mta starting at 42k with great QOL!

brooklynbacon · Guru

Nypdboss0722 wrote:
brooklynbacon wrote:
countryroads wrote:
yougonow wrote:
Just because you made Sgt is no guarantee you'll make LT or even Captain. Don't let passing one exam get to your head. As noted above, go elsewhere for QOL and PAY. Port Authority cops make insane 6 figure salaries and don't do much real police work and have an awesome tour schedule and have police powers in 2 states. MTA also has the same and you can live/work /police powers tri-state. Literally any job than this job is better in pay and schedule. Take ANY and every exam to get in another job. Don't be fooled by being a Sgt, waiting 5yrs to top pay for $137,000 and get hit with green paper nonstop for ridiculous administrative NONSENSE. I've gotten more CDs as a Sgt than as a PO, and it's not ME, it's 98% of the patrol sgts unless you are an admin pet/rat/kiss ass/you get it.

You'll see as a Sgt if you do one wrong move or something that doesn't jive with what your CO wants via mind reading, you'll be signing the green slip once a month. Again, crap shoot depending on CO and Cmd, but it happens.

Goodluck.
I agree with everything there, except the first sentence. If you're naturally a good studier and test taker, there's no reason why you can't do it again for LT and Cpt, as long as you put in the work. At the risk of sounding like a pompous ass, I scored in the 90s raw on this exam, and I am confident I'll do it again for the next 2 exams. Nevertheless, I would leave for Nassau/Suffolk without hesitation!

Theres people who scored in the mid 90s on the Lt exam who failed or got a low 70s score. A word of advice from someone whos passed every exam: they only get harder.
Give us some tips
i know a few ppl that went 3-0
my Xo has passed all three first time w 70s tho

Do what you did but do it more lol. If youre not a note taker then dont listen to someone else and decide to become a note taker and write everything out. Everyone learns differently.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

With the curve and throw outs, Ill be in the 90s. What can I do to ensure I do well on the Lt and Capts exam. I want to be 3-0

HopeBoss · Senior Member

yougonow wrote:
Just because you made Sgt is no guarantee you'll make LT or even Captain. Don't let passing one exam get to your head. As noted above, go elsewhere for QOL and PAY. Port Authority cops make insane 6 figure salaries and don't do much real police work and have an awesome tour schedule and have police powers in 2 states. MTA also has the same and you can live/work /police powers tri-state. Literally any job than this job is better in pay and schedule. Take ANY and every exam to get in another job. Don't be fooled by being a Sgt, waiting 5yrs to top pay for $137,000 and get hit with green paper nonstop for ridiculous administrative NONSENSE. I've gotten more CDs as a Sgt than as a PO, and it's not ME, it's 98% of the patrol sgts unless you are an admin pet/rat/kiss ass/you get it.

You'll see as a Sgt if you do one wrong move or something that doesn't jive with what your CO wants via mind reading, you'll be signing the green slip once a month. Again, crap shoot depending on CO and Cmd, but it happens.

Goodluck.

Signed up for PA, didnt get selected through the lottery and I was in the process of getting hired by MtA but I failed the PT test by 2 push ups.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

HopeBoss wrote:
With the curve and throw outs, Ill be in the 90s. What can I do to ensure I do well on the Lt and Capts exam. I want to be 3-0

You can probably just chill out right now and enjoy the first victory. You probably wont be seeing a LT exam for atleast another 4-5 years. One exam at a time.

Passit100 · Senior Member

HopeBoss wrote:
With the curve and throw outs, Ill be in the 90s. What can I do to ensure I do well on the Lt and Capts exam. I want to be 3-0

There's gunna b a curve?

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

Futureauxiliary wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
With the curve and throw outs, Ill be in the 90s. What can I do to ensure I do well on the Lt and Capts exam. I want to be 3-0
You can probably just chill out right now and enjoy the first victory. You probably wont be seeing a LT exam for atleast another 4-5 years. One exam at a time.

Good advice

JPAL91091 · Senior Member

Its hard to say.. our job keeps creating more work for all ranks..stat meetings for stat meetings ..more and more pandering to city hall as far as Leaving and other tests.. its hard to say depends what part of life you are in .. I was already a Sgt for a little over a year Mta called had a 6 month old and mortgage .. decided to stay.. so far no issues .. however had a friend same company as me left for mta.. its been 3 years hes still living at home no responsibility or bills at home so also worked fro him ..

HopeBoss · Senior Member

Passit100 wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
With the curve and throw outs, Ill be in the 90s. What can I do to ensure I do well on the Lt and Capts exam. I want to be 3-0
There's gunna b a curve?

I would assume so, there was a curve on the last test and this one was harder according to people who took both. And from the looks of it, many people failed or got in the 70s.

yougonow · Guru

That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

JPAL91091 wrote:
Its hard to say.. our job keeps creating more work for all ranks..stat meetings for stat meetings ..more and more pandering to city hall as far as Leaving and other tests.. its hard to say depends what part of life you are in .. I was already a Sgt for a little over a year Mta called had a 6 month old and mortgage .. decided to stay.. so far no issues .. however had a friend same company as me left for mta.. its been 3 years hes still living at home no responsibility or bills at home so also worked fro him ..

facts bro if I was home I would have left for MTA

but a 6 yr old and rent and life no can do lol

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

yougonow wrote:
That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.

So why are you still here ? There are tons of private sector jobs

assuming you graduated college, go find another job

eightleft · Veteran Member

HopeBoss wrote:
Now that Im for sure on the next sgt list (probably one of the first classes God willin), I think Im going to stick around. someone had suggested taking the MTA, Suffolk and Nassau tests but is it worth it knowing Ill be a sgt and likely a Lt and Capt ? Will this job get better ? Im sure those who will make this list are wondering the same thing. if I failed this exam I wouldve been out but with the pay jump and the resume builder being a NYPD Sgt, who would stay ?

leave...this job will never get better...its only gotten worse over the years

and now its getting worse on all ranks even lieutenant...don't believe me? ask your bosses.

leave...if you don't you'll regret it

eightleft · Veteran Member

Nypdboss0722 wrote:
I cant imagine being promoted to sgt or lt and leaving to mta Pd
Unless you live with mommy n daddy, bills are real , ang that pay cut and waiting for top
Is real. However those department that honor your current pay. Ill b out too

you gotta think long term...

staying with the nypd is equivalent to taking a pay cut for the rest of your life...

eightleft · Veteran Member

HopeBoss wrote:
yougonow wrote:
Just because you made Sgt is no guarantee you'll make LT or even Captain. Don't let passing one exam get to your head. As noted above, go elsewhere for QOL and PAY. Port Authority cops make insane 6 figure salaries and don't do much real police work and have an awesome tour schedule and have police powers in 2 states. MTA also has the same and you can live/work /police powers tri-state. Literally any job than this job is better in pay and schedule. Take ANY and every exam to get in another job. Don't be fooled by being a Sgt, waiting 5yrs to top pay for $137,000 and get hit with green paper nonstop for ridiculous administrative NONSENSE. I've gotten more CDs as a Sgt than as a PO, and it's not ME, it's 98% of the patrol sgts unless you are an admin pet/rat/kiss ass/you get it.

You'll see as a Sgt if you do one wrong move or something that doesn't jive with what your CO wants via mind reading, you'll be signing the green slip once a month. Again, crap shoot depending on CO and Cmd, but it happens.

Goodluck.
Signed up for PA, didnt get selected through the lottery and I was in the process of getting hired by MtA but I failed the PT test by 2 push ups.

apply again and do more pushups

yougonow · Guru

Nypdboss0722 wrote:
yougonow wrote:
That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.
So why are you still here ? There are tons of private sector jobs
assuming you graduated college, go find another job

You sound a little bit of a douche for hitting someone back giving young able individuals a chance to see outside of the snow globe they are inside of. You are a little too big for your britches, officer.

eightleft · Veteran Member

Nypdboss0722 wrote:
yougonow wrote:
That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.
So why are you still here ? There are tons of private sector jobs
assuming you graduated college, go find another job

wrong mentality, bro...

financially, and depending on time in and circumstances, it doesn't make sense to just leave everything for the private sector...

this job still has some perks, but they are becoming few and far between...and when you compare it to other jobs within our same field, there's just no comparison...

if you have less than a decade on this job, there's no reason why should not consider applying elsewhere...

yougonow · Guru

eightleft wrote:
Nypdboss0722 wrote:
yougonow wrote:
That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.
So why are you still here ? There are tons of private sector jobs
assuming you graduated college, go find another job
wrong mentality, bro...
financially, and depending on time in and circumstances, it doesn't make sense to just leave everything for the private sector...
this job still has some perks, but they are becoming few and far between...and when you compare it to other jobs within our same field, there's just no comparison...
if you have less than a decade on this job, there's no reason why should not consider applying elsewhere...

Pretty spot on my friend. I have double digit time and just a few years left before I can leave and earn the benefits I sacrificed for through the years. Again to just make things clear, I had a fantastic career, but to think you can actually be police, then somehow convince your own squad of cops to be police up to and including writing a couple of tickets a month, its a truly difficult task to make.

You guys should know this as you are the same cops in the locker room saying "fk that".

Futureauxiliary · Guru

yougonow wrote:
eightleft wrote:
Nypdboss0722 wrote:
yougonow wrote:
That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.
So why are you still here ? There are tons of private sector jobs
assuming you graduated college, go find another job
wrong mentality, bro...
financially, and depending on time in and circumstances, it doesn't make sense to just leave everything for the private sector...
this job still has some perks, but they are becoming few and far between...and when you compare it to other jobs within our same field, there's just no comparison...
if you have less than a decade on this job, there's no reason why should not consider applying elsewhere...

Pretty spot on my friend. I have double digit time and just a few years left before I can leave and earn the benefits I sacrificed for through the years. Again to just make things clear, I had a fantastic career, but to think you can actually be police, then somehow convince your own squad of cops to be police up to and including writing a couple of tickets a month, its a truly difficult task to make.

You guys should know this as you are the same cops in the locker room saying "fk that".

Problem with this job is there are to many chefs in the kitchen. Too much micromanaging and everyone is looking to get one leg up on another. There is zero/to little camaraderie left. As for the job getting better, i highly doubt it will anytime soon. Atleast for us with TOJ in the double digits.

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

eightleft wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
yougonow wrote:
Just because you made Sgt is no guarantee you'll make LT or even Captain. Don't let passing one exam get to your head. As noted above, go elsewhere for QOL and PAY. Port Authority cops make insane 6 figure salaries and don't do much real police work and have an awesome tour schedule and have police powers in 2 states. MTA also has the same and you can live/work /police powers tri-state. Literally any job than this job is better in pay and schedule. Take ANY and every exam to get in another job. Don't be fooled by being a Sgt, waiting 5yrs to top pay for $137,000 and get hit with green paper nonstop for ridiculous administrative NONSENSE. I've gotten more CDs as a Sgt than as a PO, and it's not ME, it's 98% of the patrol sgts unless you are an admin pet/rat/kiss ass/you get it.

You'll see as a Sgt if you do one wrong move or something that doesn't jive with what your CO wants via mind reading, you'll be signing the green slip once a month. Again, crap shoot depending on CO and Cmd, but it happens.

Goodluck.
Signed up for PA, didnt get selected through the lottery and I was in the process of getting hired by MtA but I failed the PT test by 2 push ups.
apply again and do more pushups

lol

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

eightleft wrote:
Nypdboss0722 wrote:
yougonow wrote:
That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.
So why are you still here ? There are tons of private sector jobs
assuming you graduated college, go find another job
wrong mentality, bro...
financially, and depending on time in and circumstances, it doesn't make sense to just leave everything for the private sector...
this job still has some perks, but they are becoming few and far between...and when you compare it to other jobs within our same field, there's just no comparison...
if you have less than a decade on this job, there's no reason why should not consider applying elsewhere...

Ok so why didnt u leave after your 10 year ?

u stayed until it got worse and worse ? To reap your perks

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

yougonow wrote:
Nypdboss0722 wrote:
yougonow wrote:
That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.
So why are you still here ? There are tons of private sector jobs
assuming you graduated college, go find another job

You sound a little bit of a douche for hitting someone back giving young able individuals a chance to see outside of the snow globe they are inside of. You are a little too big for your britches, officer.
Ok enjoy your retirement, officer .

brooklynbacon · Guru

Nypdboss0722 wrote:
yougonow wrote:
That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.
So why are you still here ? There are tons of private sector jobs
assuming you graduated college, go find another job

Because we know we are literally unemployable in the real world. Where else can we make 100k a year for showing up? Its the American Dream!

Nypdboss0722 · Veteran Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
Nypdboss0722 wrote:
yougonow wrote:
That's just one of many agencies available to go to that makes more money than a top pay Sgt as a patrol cop. Goodluck in your endeavors. Sadly the NYPD IS a stepping stone into the LE world... some of us like me ended up stuck and I don't like to see able bodied young individuals get stuck as well. Since coming on the job its just been WORST AND WORST AND WORST with absolutely no resolve. Sad to say, run if you can.
So why are you still here ? There are tons of private sector jobs
assuming you graduated college, go find another job
Because we know we are literally unemployable in the real world. Where else can we make 100k a year for showing up? Its the American Dream!

I agree 100k+ , unlimited sick, 5 weeks vacation

1hate6 · Veteran Member

IAB,CCRB, choke hold and bail reform laws making your job even more unsafe, Mandatory OT, work every holiday, never see your family and kids, Divorce, half your pension gone, BCB walkthroughs, Barricaded EDP jobsnot to mention toxic leadership at all levels, diminished mental health and rising Suicide rates.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

I wouldn't recommend this job to anyone who has any kind of talent. It's a last resort job.

I've been a boss for a year and I see the type of cops working and the quality of work they do, and I can't blame them. My CO gets on my case about giving 110%. For what? Are you going to renegotiate my contract if I lower crime? No, they wanted 110% or else I'd get fucked by them. And it drove me nuts trying to do their best.

The people that are your executives are the same cops who fucked up everything for everyone. When they were on patrol, they were insanely corrupt. When they got promoted, they slept in the locker room. Now they are in charge, and push all the BS of body cams and 311 jobs and lose their shit when the PS can't stop a robbery on the other side of the precinct. The same people who were in the midst of cops similar to Michael Dowd and turned a blind eye, are the same ones running inspections and drilling you into the earth. In their defense, someone has to do it, but they make it their crusade.

If I sound jaded, by all accounts I shouldn't be. I was in a fancy unit for a few years, and I never had time taken on a CD. The job just sucks because the leadership sucks. It's a ship without a rudder. It's like we're caught in some police purgatory, where we are basically city clerks in rmps now but the higher ups don't want to acknowledge it and want the same activity. It's the same level of mental gymnastics as trying to fault a cop for looking at his job phone.

So to answer your question, will it ever get better? No, it won't. Things don't get better here. The job will continue to squeeze as much as they can from you under the guise of "It's da job! It is what it is!" and will become so offended when you try to get over. I can almost guarantee you the new cop base salary will be just under 95k, so that when you add in holiday pay, uniform allowance, etc, they can say "we make $100,001 a year! It's a six figure job!". Then comes the new era of inspections CDs to recoup money for the city. Even being seen talking to another cop will get you a slip.

Before you losers jump on me and say leave the job then, I am. I'm vesting soon and starting in a completely new field.

-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Saturday 10th of September 2022 06:45:41 AM

JDMEVO9 · Senior Member

You made some points.

you either eat shit in this job, or you eat shit in another job.

The Goal is not your feelings. The goal is padding your pension, providing for your family through bi-weekly checks that should always continue to increase as well as health insurance.

while waiting for retirement its your duty to figure out Career # 2 and make sure everything is lined up for a smooth transition when you retire.

vesting out to work for someone else is silly.

start your business, find your talents, use this jobs pension to push you into the next chapter of life because this job is NOT your final chapter in life.

but yes! The job preaches a lot of brothe-hood and does the complete opposite once we take off our dressblues.

a lot of the COs and XOs who micromange and stress everyone out are USUALLY the ones who have about 20-40 collars in their entire career and shake out on everything due to low confidence in not peforming and thoroughly understand what it is to be a real cop.

what can you do? Take deep breaths, keep stress down, eat as healthy as possible, retire with good health and move on.

this career path is nothing but a pension and health benefits to provide IF YOU RANK UP! If you stay a PO, god bless you.
captains are making 200k

get after it !

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Youre right, the job should be about the money. But if anyone here is concerned about the money, consider this:

Hitting top pay was great, I was at six figures before any of my non-cop friends. Now after a decade, they have all surpassed. Leaving the job at 22 years means youre starting from the bottom again in your 40s. Unless you plan on not working after you get your pension, is it worth it? Just as we leave, other professions typically reach their highest paid years. Staying past 22 means we work at half pay.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

True statement.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

fiftyfouredp wrote:
Youre right, the job should be about the money. But if anyone here is concerned about the money, consider this:

Hitting top pay was great, I was at six figures before any of my non-cop friends. Now after a decade, they have all surpassed. Leaving the job at 22 years means youre starting from the bottom again in your 40s. Unless you plan on not working after you get your pension, is it worth it? Just as we leave, other professions typically reach their highest paid years. Staying past 22 means we work at half pay.

And if you are a captain youll be making 200k. I dont know many professions outside of medicine and engineering making that

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

True Hopeboss. But Captain is not a guarantee. Neither is Lt or Sgt. Even with good test taking habits, you can get screwed. If anyone comes on this job, they should realize that being a cop could be the endgame. Given the odds, its overwhelmingly likely.

IF you hit the tests right, you could be a top pay Capt before your 20th. But once that retirement age comes, you are working for half pay. Leaving the job in your late 40's, all that seniority lost, starting over. Could you find something where you'll be back to making 200k combined with your pension? Possible. But all those other people with jobs in healthcare, engineering, finance, are just beginning to reach those high numbers. And they can stay at the top of the pile because of their seniority.

Like I said originally, I wouldn't recommend this job to anyone unless they had absolutely no prospects. It's funny how everyone gets hooked on the idea of early retirement, but the reality is 90% of you are going to keep working anyway.

yougonow · Guru

I think it turns into the choice of eh I'll do 25yrs (now) as a cop with the POSSIBILITY to retire that young. Now, people don't want to stay a minute longer than their time.

If I pass this upcoming LT exam and end up in a detail like strike force, detf or another fed gig, I would probably stay way past my terminal time of 20yrs. Heck I'd probably stay longer as a Sgt. But to stay on PATROL? Heck no. I think that is where it lays... detail vs patrol for the vast majority.

-- Edited by yougonow on Wednesday 14th of September 2022 01:25:29 AM

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Details are the way to go,.it provides for longevity on this job. Patrol,..not the best gig but one can manage ,.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

fiftyfouredp wrote:
True Hopeboss. But Captain is not a guarantee. Neither is Lt or Sgt. Even with good test taking habits, you can get screwed. If anyone comes on this job, they should realize that being a cop could be the endgame. Given the odds, its overwhelmingly likely.

IF you hit the tests right, you could be a top pay Capt before your 20th. But once that retirement age comes, you are working for half pay. Leaving the job in your late 40's, all that seniority lost, starting over. Could you find something where you'll be back to making 200k combined with your pension? Possible. But all those other people with jobs in healthcare, engineering, finance, are just beginning to reach those high numbers. And they can stay at the top of the pile because of their seniority.

Like I said originally, I wouldn't recommend this job to anyone unless they had absolutely no prospects. It's funny how everyone gets hooked on the idea of early retirement, but the reality is 90% of you are going to keep working anyway.

Whats your opinion on staying on the job in the rank of sgt? I tell everyone dont stay on this job as a cop. Either boss up or find another department

HopeBoss · Senior Member

DRPapi1983 wrote:
Details are the way to go,.it provides for longevity on this job. Patrol,..not the best gig but one can manage ,.

Even details are going to shit. the offices at 1 pp are sending cops everyday to details

HopeBoss · Senior Member

yougonow wrote:
I think it turns into the choice of eh I'll do 25yrs (now) as a cop with the POSSIBILITY to retire that young. Now, people don't want to stay a minute longer than their time.

If I pass this upcoming LT exam and end up in a detail like strike force, detf or another fed gig, I would probably stay way past my terminal time of 20yrs. Heck I'd probably stay longer as a Sgt. But to stay on PATROL? Heck no. I think that is where it lays... detail vs patrol for the vast majority.

-- Edited by yougonow on Wednesday 14th of September 2022 01:25:29 AM

I cant imagine doing 20+ As a cop today. Thank god I passed the sgts exam

1hate6 · Veteran Member

HopeBoss wrote:
yougonow wrote:
I think it turns into the choice of eh I'll do 25yrs (now) as a cop with the POSSIBILITY to retire that young. Now, people don't want to stay a minute longer than their time.

If I pass this upcoming LT exam and end up in a detail like strike force, detf or another fed gig, I would probably stay way past my terminal time of 20yrs. Heck I'd probably stay longer as a Sgt. But to stay on PATROL? Heck no. I think that is where it lays... detail vs patrol for the vast majority.

-- Edited by yougonow on Wednesday 14th of September 2022 01:25:29 AM
I cant imagine doing 20+ As a cop today. Thank god I passed the sgts exam

Aint much better as a sergeant

RamJamFlamSong · Senior Member

1hate6 wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
yougonow wrote:
I think it turns into the choice of eh I'll do 25yrs (now) as a cop with the POSSIBILITY to retire that young. Now, people don't want to stay a minute longer than their time.

If I pass this upcoming LT exam and end up in a detail like strike force, detf or another fed gig, I would probably stay way past my terminal time of 20yrs. Heck I'd probably stay longer as a Sgt. But to stay on PATROL? Heck no. I think that is where it lays... detail vs patrol for the vast majority.

-- Edited by yougonow on Wednesday 14th of September 2022 01:25:29 AM
I cant imagine doing 20+ As a cop today. Thank god I passed the sgts exam

Aint much better as a sergeant

Being a member of a union that can actually sign a contract is pretty appealing. That alone makes it seem much better then being a Patty Preacher. In a decade with Lynch & Lackeys all I've seen an angry Irish lad screaming atop his soap box while having steak dinners and fine cigars with the executives after sunset. Sure, the great Ed Mullens turned out to be a crooked cop but his tenure will be remember as one filled with pride and loyalty. Patty serves only to make us look like a group of babbling baboons who just got done watching a Tucker Carlson rerun.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

1hate6 wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
yougonow wrote:
I think it turns into the choice of eh I'll do 25yrs (now) as a cop with the POSSIBILITY to retire that young. Now, people don't want to stay a minute longer than their time.

If I pass this upcoming LT exam and end up in a detail like strike force, detf or another fed gig, I would probably stay way past my terminal time of 20yrs. Heck I'd probably stay longer as a Sgt. But to stay on PATROL? Heck no. I think that is where it lays... detail vs patrol for the vast majority.

-- Edited by yougonow on Wednesday 14th of September 2022 01:25:29 AM
I cant imagine doing 20+ As a cop today. Thank god I passed the sgts exam

Aint much better as a sergeant

hey at least youre not standing on a foot post or collaring or issuing summonses and now you can take the Lt exam

HopeBoss · Senior Member

RamJamFlamSong wrote:
1hate6 wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
yougonow wrote:
I think it turns into the choice of eh I'll do 25yrs (now) as a cop with the POSSIBILITY to retire that young. Now, people don't want to stay a minute longer than their time.

If I pass this upcoming LT exam and end up in a detail like strike force, detf or another fed gig, I would probably stay way past my terminal time of 20yrs. Heck I'd probably stay longer as a Sgt. But to stay on PATROL? Heck no. I think that is where it lays... detail vs patrol for the vast majority.

-- Edited by yougonow on Wednesday 14th of September 2022 01:25:29 AM
I cant imagine doing 20+ As a cop today. Thank god I passed the sgts exam

Aint much better as a sergeant
Being a member of a union that can actually sign a contract is pretty appealing. That alone makes it seem much better then being a Patty Preacher. In a decade with Lynch & Lackeys all I've seen an angry Irish lad screaming atop his soap box while having steak dinners and fine cigars with the executives after sunset. Sure, the great Ed Mullens turned out to be a crooked cop but his tenure will be remember as one filled with pride and loyalty. Patty serves only to make us look like a group of babbling baboons who just got done watching a Tucker Carlson rerun.

I blame the cops, yall are the ones electing delegates with inside spots so that theyre in the pockets of the COs and yall still taking pictures with Patty boy at parades. to yall who took a picture with Patty on Labor Day, remember last time we worked a Labor Day parade with a contract was 2016.