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MBREEZE wrote:

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redcons2 wrote:

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MBREEZE wrote:

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VetteCop wrote:

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my point is, if they don't include the 2.25% body cam incentive for DET then even the top pay detectives won't go to tier 5 (top pay) SGT. And now according to redcons (where is your attachment from?), you have to wait 5 years regardless to become a top pay SGT.

WOOF

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 I dont understand what you are talking about. Have you seen the new pay scale for Detectives? Top is above 107k. Step 4 for Sgt is 105k and then rises to 118k in the 5th year. A top pay Detective will be making 107k. If promoted he/she has to go above 107k which would be top pay. 

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what you make after adding on uniform, holiday, longevity, etc doesn't count - sgt is going to 97.8k to 118k from year 3 to 4 in the new salary chart 

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 Yes that is exactly what Im saying the salary chart for detectives is only base pay it doesnt include longevity or night diff etc.Top pay for Detective is now $107,426 which is higher than step 3 for Sgt. The next step up is Step 4 which is the same pay as Step 5 according to the chart you just posted. 

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 yes so unfortunately they would be stuck at that step 3-4 years 

the long and short of it is if you aren't a five+ year Det. you are going to be stuck in year 4 of sgt for 4 years. They sold out the young. Not surprising. 

That SGT chart is outdated, and incorrect. It shows that Step 4 and 5 make the same base pay of $118K.  

This is how I'm seeing it all:

CURRENT DEA CONTRACT:
upon promo: 96302
1st anniversary: 96502
2nd anniversary: 96703
3rd anniversary: 96902
4th anniversary: 97101
5th anniversary: 97324

NEW DEA CONTRACT (if ratified) 

upon promo: 103958
1st anniversary: 104174
2nd anniversary: 104391
3rd anniversary: 104606
4th anniversary: 104820
5th anniversary: 105061  + another 2.25% body cam incentive : 107425 (DOES THIS INCENTIVE COUNT TOWARDS BASE SALARY? NOBODY KNOWS THE ACTUAL ANSWER)

NEW SBA CONTRACT (if ratified and for those promoted after January 29, 2022):
Upon promotion: 96016
1st anniversary: 96281
2nd anniversary: 96476
3rd anniversary: 97894
4th anniversary: 105606
5th anniversary: 118054  

If the BWC incentive for detectives counts as base salary, then yes a 5+ year DET jumps to top pay SGT of 118k, if it doesn't count as a base pay factor (which honestly I highly doubt it does) then a 5+ year DET will have to enjoy their $500 raise and stay at the same pay for 4 years until they can get that $118k

Sgt contract will have to be revised with that new pba contract going around

How do you know?

PD2FD wrote:

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Caralho wrote:

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How do you know?

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 Its fake!! I know the douche-bag that created the rumor.

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 Ah, okay. 

ChuckTaylor wrote:

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A 20% raise is pretty insane, particularly for a time period that includes the riots. I made like 160k as a 10 year cop, they're not gonna agree to give me a 5% retroactive raise.

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 Did you live in the command that whole year ? 160k is insane

Then I feel bad for your cops, Sgtnogood.

With regards to BWC $$, base salary inherently means no additional items such as longevity, night differential nor BWC $

VetteCop wrote:

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Thats what Im talking about.  Any detective in Rank for 5 or more years would really have to think long and hard about taking a literal pay cut to be a sergeant. 

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 As per civil service rules, the city MUST give you a base salary raise to get promoted.  It might be only 100 or could be 1000.  All that matters is your base salary gets a raise.  So in their eyes its not a pay cut.  BUT we all know rookie sgts dont make much overtime depending on where you're at so you effectively lose out on pay just from going as a PO/DET making overtime to a rookie SGT making no overtime.  

First year, my buddy made 15,000 less than previous.  Another made 20,000 less so yes it can suck.  If you're young on the job, you need think big picture/long term.  Short term loss for long term gain.  Especially since you must make SGT to make LT.

So there have been many rumors on these forums, I had to make some calls to verify. Finally made an account on here just to post my findings. 

So I spoke over the phone to the treasurer of the SBA. Whatever the base pay is at the moment for that detective, they will be pushed one step head and then be frozen until their promotion class catches up. 

I then called the DEA (a borough Delegate, said his name too fast) to determine if the service differential body camera is part of base pay and he confirmed yes it is. 

Ill provide photos but as of April 1, 2022 top pay detective will be $107,426, that is above Step 4 sgt at $105,604. Pushing a top pay detective to step 5 sgt.

Hope this helps, I will be deferring the rumored March 18th class

Scuba Steve wrote:

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So there have been many rumors on these forums, I had to make some calls to verify. Finally made an account on here just to post my findings. 

So I spoke over the phone to the treasurer of the SBA. Whatever the base pay is at the moment for that detective, they will be pushed one step head and then be frozen until their promotion class catches up. 

I then called the DEA (a borough Delegate, said his name too fast) to determine if the service differential body camera is part of base pay and he confirmed yes it is. 

Ill provide photos but as of April 1, 2022 top pay detective will be $107,426, that is above Step 4 sgt at $105,604. Pushing a top pay detective to step 5 sgt.

Hope this helps, I will be deferring the rumored March 18th class

 

This is completely wrong. You will not go to top pay. You will be at Step 4. That 2.25% is NOT part of base salary. Call Labor Relations and get the correct answer. Do not defer the March promotion.  

-- Edited by Scuba Steve on Wednesday 2nd of March 2022 05:53:21 PM

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Im going on base what DEA HQ is saying and documents being distributed. Ill dig even further. Eventually April 1 will be here.

Edit Update: NYC Labor relations is closed at the moment but I found this on their site. Giving me a bad feeling, I dont feel confident the DEA knows what they are talking about. Photo attached. 

Yup, I figured! Enjoy your $500 pay "bump" for four years and zero overtime as a supervisor. 

My check is about $3631 as a PO. My check would be $4073 ($105,907) as a SGT Entry +15. Approx $884-Gross/$530-Net per month. Thats essentially 12.5 hours OT at top pay per month I dont have to work OT for. So Please someone help me understand how promotion is a bad thing unless youre guaranteed 40hrs/month guaranteed where I know Im not, & usually happy to see 10-20.