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can a FOIL request be done regarding the grading of the Sergeants Exam?

No one believed me a month ago when I said any over 1600 start studying wait until the first week of April and then talk to me!!!!

IamTheLaw wrote:

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narco26 wrote:

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No one believed me a month ago when I said any over 1600 start studying wait until the first week of April and then talk to me!!!!

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And no one still believes you. Because you're wrong... This place is starting to turn into the Rant.

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 What this fool doesnt realize is if this whole diversity stuff is true (and I believe is getting extremely blown out of proportion, as per usual) is that it will lead to even more people being hired.

Lol, I have to admit, this whole diversity thing gets old after a while. At the end of the day, if you put in the work, you'll pass, and if you work your ass off, you will score high enough to not worry about any of this bull****.

And for those using the "minority" excuse look at the past Sgt exams where these alleged changes never happened. You will realize that those old lists are full of minorities anyway, the percentages of the minorities on each list is probably similar, except that this time it is a larger list overall.

I just got news that the exam was graded differently because allegedly they had to come up with a formula to balance out the difference of exams. What formula was used, no one knows. How much truth their is to this, no one knows. For the first time ever, different exams were given on the original exam date, and on the make up dates. DCAS wanted to avoid a lawsuit, and tried to be fair, because the reality is, some people who had taken the test on the original date and scored a 69, could have taken a make-up (different test) and have done better on that one by scoring a 77. So in order to "balance" things out, they used this formula to even things out.

This whole "minority" bull**** is just people using excuses because they couldn't score high enough, or higher then someone else and it bothers them. If you look at every past Sgt's list, minorities, and non-minorities are all over the top 100. So some of you may just need to study harder and man the hell up and stop making excuses. If you don't like your bosses, work hard to replace them one day and do a better job. Thats my motto.

If you guys want any cold hard facts about what I said, I can happily provide it to you by pulling up old lists and dissecting things by last names. The percentages are the same or very similar. Just more passers this time, thats all.

Ignorance. Unreal.

-- Edited by HanginByAThread on Friday 23rd of March 2018 11:48:50 PM

It's just a little mind boggling the lack of common sense that we have on this job. Does anyone not pay attention or listen to their fellow cops ?

People ... if you scored in the mid to low 60's, or passed with a low 70's or even mid 70's, approximately a 10 point addition seemed to be the most prevalent amount that people picked up. For those that had gotten low 60's, some jumped up to high 70's because of LONGEVITY POINTS.

For those who originally scored 80's and above, they didn't pick up as many points because the probability of them picking up points of the 5 total changes on the test, had dropped (they scored higher, so they probably got the questions that were thrown out, correct), thus picking up maybe 3-5 points instead of 10. Vice versa, if you scored LOWER, such as low 60's up to the mid 70's, the probability of you picking up the throw outs increased.

In other words, for those who don't seem to want to see this .... but EVERYONE who passed this exam ... benefited from whatever was done. So man the hell up, stop crying, and score higher next time. I am in the mid 1000's and I am not ashamed to say it, it was my first test and I did a lot of screwing around while studying. But I'm gonna man up, take it right on the chin and absolutely destroy the next Lt's exam so that none of this alleged (score adjustment) bull**** can apply to me. Maybe some of you should do the same instead of looking for ridiculous excuses.

-- Edited by HanginByAThread on Saturday 24th of March 2018 12:03:25 AM

-- Edited by HanginByAThread on Saturday 24th of March 2018 12:04:43 AM

Nah he's clearly a young guy who hasn't had much life experience. Don't worry, kid. You'll be jaded like the rest of us soon enough.

Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:

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So I guess I have to eat crow...didnt think dcas could botch anothee exam after the 2015 Lt exam...boy was I wrong!

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 Not really. They didnt botch the exam, just graded it on some weird curve. The list is the way it is supposed to be.

Did someone say exam graded to benefit minorities. Doesnt that **** get old?? We do realize that the job is still heavy majority and not minority? Yes Hispanics average about 25% of incoming classes and blacks around 10-12% but the vast majority are still "white", the same is said for promotional exams. There are more majority who sit for the exam so are we that DCAS says **** all the white ppl whatever they score they score but let's make all the minorities pass?? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard lol. You guys have to relax. Why is it that no one can just wait until classes are announced or the list expires. Why must ppl constantly come on here and try to piss everyone off? You guys act like the sky is falling and cry wolf. Some of you trust some poster with your lives and hang on every word they say, ie Bill Parcells, yet you feed into what others post. If you have a person you trust with info, why get worked up over simple post. I'm not even sure why i care but its just disheartening to see some of the stuff on here. Guys be safe wherever you work, don't stress out and if you are meant to be promoted in this list you will be.

So are you saying the percentages are the same because the exams are "fixed" not because ppl passed the exam? Will you hold the same theory when you see that the percentages for non minority are also similar. Will you assume that these exams are fixed to also make sure a certain percentage of majority also make the list?

Doesnt make much sense right? Lol

Tony Rags wrote:

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Guys/Gals:

Ed and I are actively looking into this matter to get some credible answers. I know everyone is frustrated, and rightfully so. Be patient and we will keep you all updated once we have something solid.

Tony

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 I dont understand what the frustration is about. In 2013 DCAS screwed everyone over with the 30 research questions. Now they use a method where everybody gets by and people still complain. Nobody got screwed over. My command has over 20 passes in this exam, everybody who had a higher score after the protest still had a higher score when the list was released. Nobody with a lower score jumped over anybody with a higher one. Everybody needs to chill.

Right now, it appears that the sergeant exam was indeed scaled as my partner Ed indicated above with that formula used. By doing it this way, they are able to increase the list size while remaining fair because everyone benefited when it was scaled up without causing someone to jump over another from what their original raw score was. In essence, instead of the passing grade being 70, it is now 61 without it affecting list numbers.

That confirms what I heard, and my post.

There you go people, take accountability, stop making/looking for bullshyt excuses.

I never fill out the demographics on the bottom of the scantron

3 questions. How many news cops are getting in the academy, how many eligible Sgts to retire(20and 25yrs), and when is the next BMOC. Everything else is moot.