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samuroy · Veteran Member

RE: LT Vacancy

Conditionsuck · Veteran Member

Not sure..I just forwarded.

Semp1 · Guru

To me that reads that there will be promos along with some discretionary.

tdcarlin1 · Senior Member

any word on overtime for 49s? so far they havent touched that yet

unborn · Guru

Another one of these whatsapp rumors.

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

ICO boro rumor is FALSE. Fake news. They are not pulling ANYONE out of a precinct right now. Where do people get this garbage from?

rookiebit_h · Guru

2 submitted 1 withdrawal 8/19

2 submitted 8/18

1 submitted 8/17

-- Edited by rookiebit_h on Wednesday 19th of August 2020 08:14:35 PM

rookiebit_h · Guru

8/21 2 LTs

8/24 3 Lts

rookiebit_h · Guru

As of Today 8/25 27 Lts submitted papers for the month of August

rookiebit_h · Guru

Add another 4 today

PD2FD · Guru

Do you know the current LTs vacancy numbers ? I'm curious to see how high it is.

Semp1 · Guru

When counting terminals by next month vacancies will be somewhere in the 275-300 range I believe.

rookiebit_h · Guru

8/27 --- 3

thisjobsucks · Veteran Member

Short 209 LT's as of the end of this month

Shotsfired · Guru

Does anyone know what list number they cleared up to?

rookiebit_h · Guru

5 net papers submitted 8/31

Nyjoe84 · Senior Member

That will make it over 209. Now the question is , when will they start putting in classes again.

brooklynbacon · Guru

Nyjoe84 wrote:
That will make it over 209. Now the question is , when will they start putting in classes again.

Right now the job needs cops more than bosses. Theres no way the job will promote 100 Lts then deplete sgts by 100 which in turn depletes cops by 100.

Going by the last economic collapse and recruit freeze, promotions wont start again until academy classes start again.

Truthseeker · Guru

Told no promos for forceable future. As for academy class told October no. Possibly nothing till July 2021

Semp1 · Guru

Truthseeker wrote:
Told no promos for forceable future. As for academy class told October no. Possibly nothing till July 2021

Thats always the statement officially. They'll be promos soon enough.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Tuesday 1st of September 2020 12:56:48 AM

4th Time · Senior Member

Is OT back?

DT-Tres · Senior Member

4th Time wrote:
Is OT back?

Not sure if fully back. They did give commands a few blocks for this weekend but that was expected. Lets see what happens after this weekend.

ohnoes · Senior Member

DT-Tres wrote:
4th Time wrote:
Is OT back?
Not sure if fully back. They did give commands a few blocks for this weekend but that was expected. Lets see what happens after this weekend.

Monaghan said in the news that impact/spike is back. Then again he also said all the DAs have stated they are not going to prosecute the chokehold bill

1974nypd · Member

Tell promote soon, many commands desperately need platoon commanders.

Superman · Veteran Member

Whats the total now? Anyone know?

Copper · Senior Member

As of September 17th, there are 148 LT vacancies with additional 40 on terminal leave.

TransitCop · Senior Member

Copper wrote:
As of September 17th, there are 148 LT vacancies with additional 40 on terminal leave.

What about sgt?

Copper · Senior Member

TransitCop wrote:
Copper wrote:
As of September 17th, there are 148 LT vacancies with additional 40 on terminal leave.
What about sgt?

255 vacant and additional 77 on terminal.

Fewmoretogo · Member

is This accurate? The numbers drastically came down without any promotions

samuroy · Veteran Member

Fewmoretogo wrote:
is This accurate? The numbers drastically came down without any promotions

Maybe a lot of the vacancies were filled from personell from disbanded units sent to commands?

DT-Tres · Senior Member

samuroy wrote:
Fewmoretogo wrote:
is This accurate? The numbers drastically came down without any promotions
Maybe a lot of the vacancies were filled from personell from disbanded units sent to commands?

You cant fill vacancies like that. lets say that the department has 200 lieutenant and 1 retires that would create 1 vacancy. That vacancy cannot be filled out of the 199 left because you will still only have 199 lieutenants regardless of who you move. A vacancy can only be filled with a new lieutenant that is going to bring the number back to 200. Something is up with that number because in an email sent by the LBA, they stated that they were short over 200 members.

-- Edited by DT-Tres on Friday 18th of September 2020 03:17:55 AM

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

DT-Tres wrote:
samuroy wrote:
Fewmoretogo wrote:
is This accurate? The numbers drastically came down without any promotions
Maybe a lot of the vacancies were filled from personell from disbanded units sent to commands?
You cant fill vacancies like that. lets say that the department has 200 lieutenant and 1 retires that would create 1 vacancy. That vacancy cannot be filled out of the 199 left because you will still only have 199 lieutenants regardless of who you move. A vacancy can only be filled with a new lieutenant that is going to bring the number back to 200. Something is up with that number because in an email sent by the LBA, they stated that they were short over 200 members.

-- Edited by DT-Tres on Friday 18th of September 2020 03:17:55 AM

You dont need to fill a vacancy for a position that was eliminated. Homeless Outreach and a major portion of Traffic Task force were straight out eliminated due to defunding. Several other units were similarly reduced. Those LT vacancies will never be filled aka the spot simply disappears which results in fewer vacancies. The lower vacancies are due to positions that have been permanently eliminated.

Dahomeless1 · Senior Member

soccerpsyco32 wrote:
DT-Tres wrote:
samuroy wrote:
Fewmoretogo wrote:
is This accurate? The numbers drastically came down without any promotions
Maybe a lot of the vacancies were filled from personell from disbanded units sent to commands?
You cant fill vacancies like that. lets say that the department has 200 lieutenant and 1 retires that would create 1 vacancy. That vacancy cannot be filled out of the 199 left because you will still only have 199 lieutenants regardless of who you move. A vacancy can only be filled with a new lieutenant that is going to bring the number back to 200. Something is up with that number because in an email sent by the LBA, they stated that they were short over 200 members.

-- Edited by DT-Tres on Friday 18th of September 2020 03:17:55 AM
You dont need to fill a vacancy for a position that was eliminated. Homeless Outreach and a major portion of Traffic Task force were straight out eliminated due to defunding. Several other units were similarly reduced. Those LT vacancies will never be filled aka the spot simply disappears which results in fewer vacancies. The lower vacancies are due to positions that have been permanently eliminated.

I was under the impression a spot becomes vacant when some retires/resigns from the job?!?! Yes the homeless outreach unit was disbanded and CTTF unit was reduced, but those sgts and Lts were reassigned. So how can a position become vacant if they were reassigned but still on the job? Additionally, I know for a fact 3 of the sgts from the homeless outreach unit are retired as of sept 15. They started running their times prior to the unit being dismantled. The Sgt vacancies is reduced tremendously unless the previously reported vacancy count was inaccurate.

samuroy · Veteran Member

DT-Tres wrote:
samuroy wrote:
Fewmoretogo wrote:
is This accurate? The numbers drastically came down without any promotions
Maybe a lot of the vacancies were filled from personell from disbanded units sent to commands?
You cant fill vacancies like that. lets say that the department has 200 lieutenant and 1 retires that would create 1 vacancy. That vacancy cannot be filled out of the 199 left because you will still only have 199 lieutenants regardless of who you move. A vacancy can only be filled with a new lieutenant that is going to bring the number back to 200. Something is up with that number because in an email sent by the LBA, they stated that they were short over 200 members.

-- Edited by DT-Tres on Friday 18th of September 2020 03:17:55 AM

Ah I see... I was never good at math. lol

DT-Tres · Senior Member

soccerpsyco32 wrote:
DT-Tres wrote:
samuroy wrote:
Fewmoretogo wrote:
is This accurate? The numbers drastically came down without any promotions
Maybe a lot of the vacancies were filled from personell from disbanded units sent to commands?
You cant fill vacancies like that. lets say that the department has 200 lieutenant and 1 retires that would create 1 vacancy. That vacancy cannot be filled out of the 199 left because you will still only have 199 lieutenants regardless of who you move. A vacancy can only be filled with a new lieutenant that is going to bring the number back to 200. Something is up with that number because in an email sent by the LBA, they stated that they were short over 200 members.

-- Edited by DT-Tres on Friday 18th of September 2020 03:17:55 AM
You dont need to fill a vacancy for a position that was eliminated. Homeless Outreach and a major portion of Traffic Task force were straight out eliminated due to defunding. Several other units were similarly reduced. Those LT vacancies will never be filled aka the spot simply disappears which results in fewer vacancies. The lower vacancies are due to positions that have been permanently eliminated.

Thats why I said something was up. If they eliminated position that resulted in a lower headcount for the rank thats something else.

Semp1 · Guru

A vacancy is in the budget concerned. Its what was cleared in the budget at the beginning of July. Its a set number its not a number based on assignments available monthly. It doesnt evolve. The numbers are easily found out they arent a mystery. If 1750 LTs for example were cleared to pay within the budget in July even though they got rid of 200 assignments in that rank the budget was cleared for 1750 so the vacancies still exist in the budget. Those numbers do not change. They might not promote but they don't change the actual vacancy spots they cleared for the budget in July in coming months going forward. So if less vacancies are available now then there were in June the budget cut those spots for The 2021 fiscal year. The total vacant spots at this time in regards to what the budget is allotted for will not change until next years fiscal year though. With that being said whatever the budget called for in each rank in this July that just passed is what creates the vacancies through out the year nothing more nothing less

-- Edited by Semp1 on Friday 18th of September 2020 03:05:14 PM

JDMEVO9 · Senior Member

Youre one of those guys on a team who use the maximum amount of words to describe a collar locking in words to be challenged at trial. i read this essay below twice and daydreamed mid way.

simplicity is key to communicating complex pieces of information if the goal is having others understand it or is it to sound smart ?

- budget cut goals in July determine the amount of vacancies needed to reach their financial goal

- if the city needs 100 less Lieutenants to reach that financial goal don't assume they will hire 100 lieutenants because we are 100 short.

- wait until the upcoming July for budgets to get updated that will determine the vacancies they need to fill Throughout the fiscal Year.

-- Edited by JDMEVO9 on Friday 18th of September 2020 09:56:12 PM

Wubba lubba dub dub · Member

Any idea about vacancies. Or terminal. Have t heard anything in a while.

redcons2 · Senior Member

Wubba lubba dub dub wrote:
Any idea about vacancies. Or terminal. Have t heard anything in a while.

Its been two weeks.. geesh

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

JDMEVO9 wrote:
Youre one of those guys on a team who use the maximum amount of words to describe a collar locking in words to be challenged at trial. i read this essay below twice and daydreamed mid way.

You're assuming he actually makes collars, he's probably just another useless house mouse..

PD2FD · Guru

No idea about the vacancies but apparently we're down 2,500 UMOS, so that means we should be down to around 33,500 total.

Blue Pig · Veteran Member

Anyone have updated vacancy/ terminal?

rookiebit_h · Guru

Blue Pig wrote:
Anyone have updated vacancy/ terminal?

pshhh i lost count

Shotsfired · Guru

Blue Pig wrote:
Anyone have updated vacancy/ terminal?

Its gotta be well over 300.

Truthseeker · Guru

Promotions for lts next week

Shotsfired · Guru

Truthseeker wrote:
Promotions for lts next week

Do we have an estimate number ?

rookiebit_h · Guru

Truthseeker wrote:
Promotions for lts next week

Bmoc also or across stage and to commands?

Truthseeker · Guru

Hearing around 50 lts promotion upfront

ohnoes · Senior Member

I hear Tuesday

9-20 Captains
47 Lieutenants
123 Sergeants.

-- Edited by ohnoes on Monday 16th of November 2020 05:59:13 PM

-- Edited by ohnoes on Monday 16th of November 2020 05:59:37 PM

Nyjoe84 · Senior Member

Im hoping for at least 50. 47 is an odd number . Has anyone updated this list bc Im sure people retired off this list.