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In the Sgt class and spoke to Mullins directly today, from his mouth and backed up by the rest of the board which was present. All NEW sgts will go to the next step which is more than base top pay cop (if contract ratified) which would be step 4 (aka year 3).

It could take months for this to be ratified...but are they gonna go based on base top pay or base top pay + NCO diff

Not gonna take that long if the city has a set date of march 15 to pay out nco bump and with that bump a rookie sgt will make less than a top pay cop step three is 86700 and with the nco bump they will be over 87000 so bottom line you will make less than your top pay cops for a year until you get the 3% in march 2018 #sucks smh

Any Sgt who makes less than a cop it applies to. Mullins said if its ratified and you don't get a bump to be above the cops, you have to call the sba immediately. Of course he said they are going to press the city to also get the 2.25 differential. As far as being at step four for 3 years or making top pay the following year, he said its all on if the city changes it which he said is 50/50 and couldn't give a definite on.

Step 3 is 86728 step four is the 88 would

The only way this WOULDN'T apply is if the City immediately gave Sgt's the 2.25% Neighborhood Policing Differential... Cuz I believe that would probably push pay over $87,200.... Starting Sgt would then be $88,721 as of March 30, 2017.  Also, it looks like it would be a short window for promotions to take advantage of that benefit, because as of March 30, 2018 starting Sgt pay is $88,943.

-- Edited by que1999 on Thursday 2nd of February 2017 08:37:36 PM

What about Sgt's who were promoted in 2016?

What Ed means is that you would go to the higher pay scale but it will still take 4 years to top pay . I guess people were sleeping at BMOC today 

At a meeting yesterday they said top pay cop is at 85,000 and change... only with the nco diff it brings it up to 87000 and change so essentially they said top pay is still below bottom pay sgt and we couldnt do anything about that

Caballo Loco wrote:

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You can't take a pay cut on a promotion so they would  have move everyone to a higher salary.  But the number of steps stay the same.

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That's not really how steps work.  Kinda like the Detective to top pay Sgt thing.  You would start at a specific step on the pay scale, based on what your previous salary was, and continue up the steps from that point.  To start you at last step before top pay Sgt, and then say it would take 4 years to reach top pay doesn't make any sense at all.

Caballo Loco wrote:

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What Ed means is that you would go to the higher pay scale but it will still take 4 years to top pay . I guess people were sleeping at BMOC today 

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 Well, I wasn't sleeping. Direct quote from Mullins "if the pba votes to ratify and the contract goes into effect, all members making less than 87,211 (top pay cop w/ the %2.25) will go to the step which puts them above that." Which happens to be as of March 31, step 4 at 88,045. Further more, you will remain at that step for the 3 years it should have taken to get there before going to step 5 (top pay) UNLESS the city allows otherwise which he said has happened before. 

I don't think the NCO pay will carry over once your promoted, therefore your salary is 85,200 which is below base pay sergeant.

What a mess lol

Playing devils advocate, it is entirely possible the contract gets ratified and implemented prior to March 31 when the 2.5 raise kicks in for Sgts, then the only step higher than a cop would be top pay (after the NCO differential starts on March 15) lol
Hope the sba gets off their ass and gives some clarity in the coming weeks.

Top pay for cop on March 15 2017 will be 87,211 so we would have to go to step 4

New Hire Salary Schedule

• New salary steps will be effective for members hired on or after March 15, 2017
• Same number of steps with no stretch out, with changes to step amounts: 

	New Schedule	New Schedule + Neighborhood Policing Differential
First 1.5 years	$42,500	$43,456.25
After 1.5 years	$45,000	$46,012.50
After 2.5 years	$46,000	$47,035.00
After 3.5 years	$47,000	$48,057.50
After 4.5 years	$51,000	$52,147.50
After 5.5 years	$85,292	$87,211.07

hairbag level - expert wrote:

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It's accurate, today was SBA day at class

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I know you're just reporting what you were told, and I hope it works out for us, but I think the simplest and most likely outcome is that the City will basically say: "a top pay cop's base salary is actually 85292, not 87211 because the NCO pay is not part of the salary, its a bonus. Therefore, you're good, keep quiet"

All they'd have to do is wait us out for one year when ALL SGTS will be paid more than a top pay cop...what do they care that we'd be annoyed and complaining for one year? They let the PBA kick and scream for years. The political environment is not in the favor police (to say the least) so NO ONE will cry for us. 

I mean think about it, why does that 85,292 number even exist other than to be stated as the base salary of a top pay cop? No cop will ever actually be paid that number, since ALL PBA members get the nco bonus regardless of their assignment, making their actual pay 87211. It's only real purpose is to be separated from salary as a negotiation tool against higher ranks (SBA) who will want to use that 87k+ number as a negotiation sticking point to elevate their own pay.

I could be missing something, and I actually hope I am, but I've been on this job too long to expect the city to be anything less cheap when it comes to $

Again, I hope it works out for us, but eh idk.

I smell a anther lawsuit

You are addicted to checking the forum, get yourself some help, maybe pick up a new hobby lol

No way in hell are rookie sgt gonna be bumped to top pay just because of the pay differential....wishful thinking on the part of a lot of you guys but the city ain't doing us any favors. What sounds more realistic is that you will be bumped to the next higher step and then remain there for the X amount of years you had left before reaching top pay sgt. No matter when you got promoted the only thing that changes would be how much time you have to wait till top pay. So the new Sgt's would have to wait their full term till top pay at the step above top pay cop and if you got promoted in 2016 like someone asked you will have to wait one less year than the rookie sgt at the step before top pay

And yes they said the wait to top pay will be the same no matter what unless the city messes up. 

-- Edited by VerZa on Thursday 9th of February 2017 05:19:50 PM

Yea that's what I'm saying the wait will be the same....if you have been promoted already then you might be at a step that does not affect you....if it affects you then you will fall in line with the rest of the the rookie Sgt's and be bumped up....that's the only logical thing but my delegate specifically said that there's a clause in our contract that does not allow us to re negotiate

OhGawd wrote:

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If we skipped three salary steps how would we not go to top pay the following year? The contract specifies salary steps it doesn't say we MUST do 4 years. If we skip steps the next step should be the following step which is top pay. If I am wrong someone please correct me and find it in the contract like what page because it would be a royal screw job if we skip three steps only to stay for 4 years at the same rate  and the contract doesn't specify it

-- Edited by OhGawd on Saturday 11th of February 2017 02:55:30 PM

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 Yes I think your correct. This is the same reason detectives go straight to top pay. 

-- Edited by Drink the koolade on Saturday 11th of February 2017 05:12:28 PM

When does the new PBA contract kick in?