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oneadditional · Guru

RE: How many people will pass!!!!

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

The strip search I told them to ask their supervisor. You had no guidance on whether it should be anyone else or if their supervisor was even working. Just that I think OCCB brought in a collar and you were on the Desk and the cop wanted to do a strip search. Did I miss something, I really thought they had to ask their supervisor, but if it was at court and not the command, they could involve the BCS Supervisor. But this was at a Precinct, so it should be their supervisor...

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

it's reasonable suspicion, right?
Only immediate supv and bcs authorize.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

TML or TR doesn't matter if they wanted the wrong answer, it would still be the answer to pick. They wanted the bad step.

oneadditional · Guru

What was the bad step ?

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

The strip search I don't think they gave you any suspicion, just cop from outside command wanted to strip search the prisoner. You were in a pct, the most correct answer would be the cop's immediate supervisor.

Jimmy McNulty · Senior Member

I agree, but only conduct a subsequent search if Reas bel of a weapon/CB has been aquired is also correct.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Bad step- grafitti, they wanted the incorrect answer, the SOL ensures the cops documents a call in the TR is incorrect, it is the correct answer to pick. Whether they used TML or TR, its still not something the SOL does, so it was the answer. I got it wrong too!!! PHUUUUUUUCCCCKKKK!!!

oneadditional · Guru

In regards to the transit bureau question I know a lot of people that chose the Duty Chief answer. Did anyone else choose that answer ?

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

suspect on tracks, DB needs duty chief approval

wereinbacklog · Guru

oneadditional wrote:
In regards to the transit bureau question I know a lot of people that chose the Duty Chief answer. Did anyone else choose that answer ?

The question asked for the incorrect choice which was "The transit district supervisor assumed command from the patrol supervisor".

Jimmy McNulty · Senior Member

The transit one asked for the incorrect answer. Only assume command until the TB p/s shows up was wrong (so right). Note after step 8 says the first P/S to arrive is in charge, TB will provide expertise. The other 3 were all right.

oneadditional · Guru

That is what I chose as well. I am predicting a lot of throw outs for the exam so a lot of people will pick up a few points. They tried to be slick in a lot of questions but they did not cover all the bases so a few questions can be protested successfully.

oneadditional · Guru

She did not die. You can not assume in the aided question so you make an activity log entry.

infinity · Senior Member

yup. I was wrong

-- Edited by infinity on Monday 31st of October 2011 05:19:10 AM

-- Edited by infinity on Monday 31st of October 2011 05:37:07 AM

Jimmy McNulty · Senior Member

Negative it's all arrests, step 5, clear as day.

oneadditional · Guru

Can we all protest the voucher question since none of them had complaint report numbers ? It's not ok to say since none of the had complaint report numbers to think that its ok. If it doesn't have a complaint report number and it requires one then its wrong. All of the 61's had errors. Is it our job to say this error is more important than that error ? If one thing is wrong then the whole thing is wrong.

infinity · Senior Member

what did FTP mean on the marijuana voucher?

fodx · Guru

Field Tested Positive. I didnt know either, someone told me today.

infinity · Senior Member

shouldnt that be POS then on the vouchers?

oneadditional · Guru

DID anyone check that list of acronyms in the package to see if FTP was in there ? If it was not its a throwout

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

you actually mark the zip lock bag that the mary jane is in "pos" pg 208-08 step 5, letter g

infinity · Senior Member

-- Edited by infinity on Monday 31st of October 2011 05:54:27 AM

Rediceten · Veteran Member

E D wrote:
They asked 4 good voucher didn't they? I put marijuana was good one Y i thought they were both good too.

-- Edited by E D on Sunday 30th of October 2011 07:13:24 PM

None of the vouchers were good in question 6. They all lacked the envelope numbers in the right side column.....

oneadditional · Guru

Thanks Tommy so clearly to me FTP was a typo which the officer had to fix and there for its wrong. I don't want anything going to the lab saying FTP because the lab doesn't know what that means and neither do I. This voucher is wrong PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST

E D · Senior Member

Exactly, you mark the bag you put the marijuana in "Pos". FTP is pretty commonn on vouchers, I don't know if they will throw it out for that, it's always worth a shot.

-- Edited by E D on Monday 31st of October 2011 05:56:25 AM

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

yea it does 208-08 step 7

oneadditional · Guru

It's also pretty common in a situation where you tell an off duty cop who just dialed 911 because he witnessed his married neighbors fighting on a street corner as he was driving by to have a nice day, thanks for calling and go on his way but on test day it's an "off duty incident" so in this question "FTP" is no where in the procedure or the patrol guide so therefore it's a throw out. If they want to play the pretty common game we can play that game with all of those grammar questions and toilet paper scenarios.

bigfoot45 · Guru

Shnaggles1 wrote:
HB wrote:
RISING IDIOT wrote:

HB wrote:
Wasnt one of the summonses written for discon 1 or 3 degree? If it was wouldnt that be voided also?

Discon is fair game. It's certain provisions of loitering that must be voided

Yes i know. Discon 1, 3, 7 are no good n need to b voided. The summons was either for discon 1 or 3 im sure of it
its loitering sub 1 3 7 not discon as he said in reply
and question 17 was the sol one at community meeting about kids breaking bottles. There were many who put the sector car with cond and youth. I assumed that sol does not depoy patrol guys and cond youth and crime guys under his control so he will put them on it, but I could be totally wrong. I think they were baiting people to say sector D because it was that sector. They both would be correct if not for the reason I mentioned but who knows with this crap....

-- Edited by Shnaggles1 on Monday 31st of October 2011 03:11:42 AM

I guess this boss never handed scanned a pack of summonses out to his cops. Its only stickered on every "C" summons packet. Not to mention the operations Lt. has to void them if a cops writes for 1,3, or 7

Jimmy McNulty · Senior Member

Rediceten - that whole envelope # in the right hand column goes for all property except for drugs and re-vouchers. As for the whole "Pos" as opposed to "FTP" thing, I think it's a good point, but DCAS may play the whole "Most Correct" angle....

NinoBrown · Veteran Member

-- Edited by NinoBrown on Monday 31st of October 2011 06:32:52 AM

infinity · Senior Member

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its loitering sub 1 3 7 not discon as he said in reply

and question 17 was the sol one at community meeting about kids breaking bottles. There were many who put the sector car with cond and youth. I assumed that sol does not depoy patrol guys and cond youth and crime guys under his control so he will put them on it, but I could be totally wrong. I think they were baiting people to say sector D because it was that sector. They both would be correct if not for the reason I mentioned but who knows with this crap....

-- Edited by Shnaggles1 on Monday 31st of October 2011 03:11:42 AM

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I see where your coming from, but it listed all available units for the SOL to choose from with the sectors included.

Quack · Member

POS goes on the bag of marijuana that you tested positive. FTP is pretty common if you ever made or supervised any collars. PG states that item 1 on PCI will be the bag of marijuana that Field Tested Positive. All other bags will be listed as item 2.

big guy · Senior Member

The strip search question was looking for most correct right? So therefore what is wrong with the statement subsuquent searches will not be done unless reasonable suspicion perp acquired contraband/weapon??

big guy · Senior Member

The haz-mat question - the answer is def to notify communications to call operations to have bomb squad respond correct??

Jimmy McNulty · Senior Member

Anyone have any clue what questions 15 & 16 were....

big guy · Senior Member

And the in-basket where it asked where to set up the mobilization point for the explosion or whatever it was-- it wouldnt be north of it because the wind was blowing north, so i picked choice D which was the furthest away to the west, anyone think that is wrong??

big guy · Senior Member

15 and 16 werent one of those what order to handle the situations in when coming off meal?? I put perp first, then the missing child, then the complainant, then prep for the meeting

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

oneadditional wrote:
It's also pretty common in a situation where you tell an off duty cop who just dialed 911 because he witnessed his married neighbors fighting on a street corner as he was driving by to have a nice day, thanks for calling and go on his way but on test day it's an "off duty incident" so in this question "FTP" is no where in the procedure or the patrol guide so therefore it's a throw out. If they want to play the pretty common game we can play that game with all of those grammar questions and toilet paper scenarios.

I didn't think that was an off duty incident. The cop was not personally involved, no DV in his family, took no action other than calling 911 on his parent's neighbors and giving information, and it would not be newsworthy that the cop called 911 and nothing else. So I picked that you baiscally did nothing since it was not an "off duty incident" or "newsworthy" incident involving a cop.

The FTP was used rather than "POS" and yes, unless they said that was an abbreviation, it might be able to get challenged. But would you not sign an invoice over that? I mean the cell phone invoice was "safekeeping" even though the IMEI # was tampered with, that is def wrong. Another one had you invoicing counterfeit money rather than forwarding it to the PB with 4 49's, and the gun invoice the bullet in the chamber and magazine were not in the proper order. I am just saying the other 3 were blatantly wrong and the only thing wrong with the weed was "FTP vs. POS" and that none had 61 #'s?

I say not an off duty incident and the weed invoice was the only one you even could sign off on since the other ones were completely wrong.

Some other stuff I remember:

I also picked that the lady complaining about garbage should be told to just call 311 herself. The cop speaking in a non-official capacity and not about dept stuff did not need permission from anyone. The cop wearing his uniform out of the city could only get permission from ChofDept, since PC or 1st dep were not one of the choices.

I picked PAR, no bus/truck supplemental, don't use bridge reference markers.

I think I picked Nov 29 for the ECB return date and without looking at their calandar I cannot say I remember why, I think I counted wrong anyway. But that one can be fought since in Nov there is generally election day, veterans' day, and thanksgiving all in that month and in addition had weekends, but made no mention on the calandar of any holidays even though there is one with a set date 11/11 veterans' day and two that change every year with no guidance on when they were. Yet they want you to apply 21 days exclusive of weekends or holidays? So Nov 21 was def wrong, but not sure about 28,29, or 30th? I say challenge it for not including those three major holidays anywhere on the calandar.

The C summons one you voided the summons on Murphy since he was transferred in the TR. The one without the rear information could be fixed and was more than 22 days. The discon was not the loitering 1,3,7 so it was good. I don't remember the other C summons.

I picked the girl with the brown clip who is a brunette is good, but the cop with permission from the CO in his personal folder is good too, double answer.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

big guy wrote:
15 and 16 werent one of those what order to handle the situations in when coming off meal?? I put perp first, then the missing child, then the complainant, then prep for the meeting

I picked the same thing even though it was a judgement question and not a straight PG question. For a second I thought they were asking about the SOL "designed response" IADIE steps in 202, but looking back there was no 202!!! WTF?

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

big guy wrote:
And the in-basket where it asked where to set up the mobilization point for the explosion or whatever it was-- it wouldnt be north of it because the wind was blowing north, so i picked choice D which was the furthest away to the west, anyone think that is wrong??

So did I but I because I didnt think it should go near the school which would have been closer to the the incident. The memo spoke about that school and dismissal....even though the question didn't tell you what time this happened...ahhh i don't know, maybe I read too much into it

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

RISING IDIOT wrote:
big guy wrote:
And the in-basket where it asked where to set up the mobilization point for the explosion or whatever it was-- it wouldnt be north of it because the wind was blowing north, so i picked choice D which was the furthest away to the west, anyone think that is wrong??
So did I but I because I didnt think it should go near the school which would have been closer to the the incident. The memo spoke about that school and dismissal....even though the question didn't tell you what time this happened...ahhh i don't know, maybe I read too much into it

Yes, the larger parking lot that was closer to the incident was the MP. Although, I'm not sure how they could argue the farther one was inappropriate.

unborn · Guru

big guy wrote:
The haz-mat question - the answer is def to notify communications to call operations to have bomb squad respond correct??

I picked that too. Someone said the question left out the "notify communications" part but I was pretty sure that it did say to notify communications to call ops and get the bomb squad. Anyone else?

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

The farther one was not near a school. It was a school day

wereinbacklog · Guru

unborn wrote:
big guy wrote:
The haz-mat question - the answer is def to notify communications to call operations to have bomb squad respond correct??
I picked that too. Someone said the question left out the "notify communications" part but I was pretty sure that it did say to notify communications to call ops and get the bomb squad. Anyone else?

it stated to call operations and notify bomb squad thats incorrect most correct answer was to establish a command post.

wereinbacklog · Guru

Many also got d mos family dispute question wrong, correct answer was 49d to emd through department it should be faxed immediately.

LateRiser · Senior Member

wereinbacklog wrote:
unborn wrote:
big guy wrote:
The haz-mat question - the answer is def to notify communications to call operations to have bomb squad respond correct??
I picked that too. Someone said the question left out the "notify communications" part but I was pretty sure that it did say to notify communications to call ops and get the bomb squad. Anyone else?

it stated to call operations and notify bomb squad thats incorrect most correct answer was to establish a command post.

it did state to call central to req ops to call bomb sq

NYPD231 · Senior Member

RISING IDIOT wrote:
big guy wrote:
And the in-basket where it asked where to set up the mobilization point for the explosion or whatever it was-- it wouldnt be north of it because the wind was blowing north, so i picked choice D which was the furthest away to the west, anyone think that is wrong??
So did I but I because I didnt think it should go near the school which would have been closer to the the incident. The memo spoke about that school and dismissal....even though the question didn't tell you what time this happened...ahhh i don't know, maybe I read too much into it

The only reason I would think the spot furthest away would be wrong is because a mobilization point is supposed to be big enough to handle a Level 2, 3, and 4. Although I don't know if you can argue that based on a small "P" and a large "P" on a map. Both seemed appropriate to me. One thing someone said to me is that on the bottom of the map was a bar with a distance scale of 750 feet. They said that the first point west of the accident was within the minimal safety distance perimiter.

I don't remember the map in that much detail to remember the distance. Maybe someone else remembers.

wereinbacklog · Guru

LateRiser wrote:
wereinbacklog wrote:
unborn wrote:
big guy wrote:
The haz-mat question - the answer is def to notify communications to call operations to have bomb squad respond correct??
I picked that too. Someone said the question left out the "notify communications" part but I was pretty sure that it did say to notify communications to call ops and get the bomb squad. Anyone else?

it stated to call operations and notify bomb squad thats incorrect most correct answer was to establish a command post.
it did state to call central to req ops to call bomb sq

I'm 100% sure it stated operations for bomb squad and DEP Direct. The other choices were 300 feet and establish command post.

wereinbacklog · Guru

NYPD231 wrote:
RISING IDIOT wrote:
big guy wrote:
And the in-basket where it asked where to set up the mobilization point for the explosion or whatever it was-- it wouldnt be north of it because the wind was blowing north, so i picked choice D which was the furthest away to the west, anyone think that is wrong??
So did I but I because I didnt think it should go near the school which would have been closer to the the incident. The memo spoke about that school and dismissal....even though the question didn't tell you what time this happened...ahhh i don't know, maybe I read too much into it

The only reason I would think the spot furthest away would be wrong is because a mobilization point is supposed to be big enough to handle a Level 2, 3, and 4. Although I don't know if you can argue that based on a small "P" and a large "P" on a map. Both seemed appropriate to me. One thing someone said to me is that on the bottom of the map was a bar with a distance scale of 750 feet. They said that the first point west of the accident was within the minimal safety distance perimiter.
I don't remember the map in that much detail to remember the distance. Maybe someone else remembers.

Yeah the map stated that a block was approximately 750 feet.