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Tommy Salami · Senior Member

RE: How many people will pass!!!!

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

Yeah, but:
Necessary hair holding devices (such as but not limited to rubber bands, clips....), when used, must be unadorned and plain, and be transparent or similar to the color of the hair.
203-07

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

brown hair clip, the cop was a brunette!

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

On every difficult P.G. question they just had to push it that little extra bit, huh?

I still want to know if anyone referred the guy with the broken hand to another precinct in the leaving the scene question

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

yes i referred him to the 79

E D · Senior Member

Vehicle accident with injury, over 5 days old, I think I said, give him the civilian Mv 104, is that right?

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

Yes, it does say that.

But, it also says refer leaving the scene accidents in the next paragraph. None of the procedures are written to the exclusion of the other.

E D · Senior Member

I don't even remember, I know udont take Par, but did he want a report for leaving the scene?
It was unclear wasn't it? I don't remember it all that well

HB · Senior Member

Why refer him?

unborn · Guru

OkeeDokee wrote:
On every difficult P.G. question they just had to push it that little extra bit, huh?

I still want to know if anyone referred the guy with the broken hand to another precinct in the leaving the scene question

Yet another screwed up question.

My thinking is, there was still a crime so a 61 will be done, even though no PAR. But it does say in the procedure, without a qualifer, to refer him to the precinct of occurrence. Even though - it's just a 61 and why would we refer the complainant? But of course, it limited you to that procedure, so refer to the 79.

wereinbacklog · Guru

The question stated that it was October 16th and accident occured October 10th operator suffered a broken arm. MV 104 no PAR. Complaint report definitely.

HB · Senior Member

U would only refer him if he qualifies for a par which he didnt. Imo u give him the civilian par and take a 61.

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

sorry, read 217-13 additional data.

if the accident results in serious injury, no time limit on par. However, the 97 pct cannot prepare it, so you have to refer him to the 79 pct.

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

I don't view a broken hand as serious.

But, it explicitly says refer him to pct. of occurrence for leaving the scene cases.

No rhyme or reason. But that's what it says.

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

i guess the seriousness of a broken hand is debatable. However, a broken hand in most cases would require immediate and sustained medical treatment.

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

That was the scenario that the key referred to as "break the golden rule." refer the complainant.....to 79

BimpGod · Veteran Member

The PAR question was tricky. I gave him the civilian report MV104 because he didn't qualify to have a PAR taken. It was over 5 days, and not a serious injury. Therefore, a PAR would not be prepared in the other precinct even if the vehicle left the scene. I figured it was more correct to give him the civilian PAR instead of referring him to a different precinct in which they would have done the same thing.

E D · Senior Member

Illegal eviction, i didn't let the cousin back in.

Jimmy McNulty · Senior Member

Is anyone else still taking this test.....

BertMan · Veteran Member

Yea bimp. I thought a broken hand would be serious injury. I sent him to the 79

BimpGod · Veteran Member

Anyone have trouble with the Department 53? I was so confused because I remember reading and hearing at all the key classes, that you note the cause on both PAR and ARPD but only determine fault on our report, the ARPD. The choices were..

A-Find operator at fault and give him a CD
B-Don't find him at fault but recommend him for driver retraining
C-Find him at fault and recommend him for driver retraining
D-Don't find him at fault and don't recommend anything

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

E D wrote:
Illegal eviction, i didn't let the cousin back in.

yeah, that in reference to the exception

and give the cd for the accident.

-- Edited by OkeeDokee on Sunday 30th of October 2011 09:46:25 PM

RumorMill · Veteran Member

the tattoo guys just said he had a letter from the C.O. It didnt say "due to the nature of the members assignment" . This doesnt make it "Most Correct"

wereinbacklog · Guru

E D wrote:
Illegal eviction, i didn't let the cousin back in.

That's correct.

BimpGod · Veteran Member

I know I am way behind but for the Truck and Bus supplemental thing. Chief Shea specifically told us in class, for condition of severity, that if any vehicle was towed from the scene for other than a flat tire or had any intervening assistance it qualified. Anyone remember him saying that?

Regardless, its ANY commercial truck, doesn't matter if its rented or not, and it said that the truck had defective brakes or something so it had to be towed anyways.

-- Edited by BimpGod on Sunday 30th of October 2011 09:59:47 PM

BertMan · Veteran Member

i found him at fault and sent him to retraining.

I only choose that bc this scenerio is basically what happened to me when i was in a 53. Except the CO was cool and did not give me retraining. He told me that normally he would send you to retraining

wereinbacklog · Guru

OkeeDokee wrote:
E D wrote:
Illegal eviction, i didn't let the cousin back in.
yeah, that in reference to the exception

and give the cd for the accident.

-- Edited by OkeeDokee on Sunday 30th of October 2011 09:46:25 PM

I don't think d cd was necessary he didn't violate any department guidelines. He violated traffic regulations by maintaining a constant speed while approaching the intersection instead of slowing down( even while responding to emergency situations this must be done 217-06 note).

RICH-PD · Senior Member

and there were no injuries so i said retraining and at fault

HB · Senior Member

When u commit a traffic infraction like running a red light thats a cd. If u have a driving deficiency like miss judging a turn and u sideswipe a car thats retraining

wereinbacklog · Guru

HB wrote:
When u commit a traffic infraction like running a red light thats a cd. If u have a driving deficiency like miss judging a turn and u sideswipe a car thats retraining

He was responding to an emergency u can violate traffic regulations according to 217-06 Note.

HB · Senior Member

wereinbacklog wrote:
HB wrote:
When u commit a traffic infraction like running a red light thats a cd. If u have a driving deficiency like miss judging a turn and u sideswipe a car thats retraining
He was responding to an emergency u can violate traffic regulations according to 217-06 Note.

Yes but from what i remember he did not slow down at the intersection which is a no no

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

217-06 add. data.

oneadditional · Guru

None of the 61's had complaint report numbers which make them all bad and which you should not sign off on but I decided to go with the u.s currency since counterfiet money does not require a voucher or a property clerks invoice. I say we should all protest

RICH-PD · Senior Member

isn't this a duty of the XO anyway?... i know we make note of cause and fault and that but we don't determine this right?

HB · Senior Member

OkeeDokee wrote:
217-06 add. data.

He gets the cd. Read carefully Commanding officers are reminded that the Driver Training Unit is a tool best utilized to improve a member's overall driving performance. It should not be viewed as disciplinary action. The Commanding Officer, Driver Training Unit, is available to all commanders for conferral whether scheduling a specific member for retraining would be appropriate. New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law (Section 1104 A - V.T.L.) allows the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, when involved in an emergency operation, to disregard regulations with certain conditions. These conditions include proceeding past a steady red signal, but only after slowing down as may be necessary for safe operation, or exceeding the maximum speed limits as long as life and property are not endangered. However, it should be noted that disciplinary action would be more appropriate than driver retraining for those members who are involved in vehicle accidents which occurred as a result of their unsafe disregard of such regulations, as opposed to the member merely having deficient driving skills.

BimpGod · Veteran Member

The marijuana voucher was fine. I know they were missing all the 61#'s but you dont voucher counterfeit money, the cellphone should have been investigatory not arrest evidence and the firearm voucher was in the wrong order. Those 3 had major errors.

BimpGod · Veteran Member

The problem with the Dept accident is that there was no clear choice answer. The correct answer should have stated, determine fault and take no action. The XO is supposed to recommend driver retraining before the CO signs off on it.

-- Edited by BimpGod on Sunday 30th of October 2011 10:26:41 PM

oneadditional · Guru

I'm with you on that Rich. It's clearly addressed to "COMMANDERS" I smell a protest

BimpGod · Veteran Member

These questions reminded me of fast track. They tried to be so tricky and confusing that they outsmarted themselves because you can make debates about alot of these answers. That is the problem with asking for MOST correct or least correct.

BimpGod · Veteran Member

How about the temporary removal of firearms for non disciplinary reason. The ranking officer is a Captain or above, surgeon or other competent authority. I had a good laugh at that one.

I am going to start removing firearms and etc for fun whenever some impact cop does anything that makes me think he needs medication for being a retard.

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

WHo was the arresting officer on the MJ voucher? If it was OCCB, didn't need one. If it wasn't you have a protest.

There was a telephone msg that OCCB was in the area.

oneadditional · Guru

I like how they flipped the off duty member of service being a witness to another family having a dispute and turned it into an off duty incident meanwhile they know in the patrol guide procedure they were talking about him or her being involved in an incident or a domestic violence incident within his or her own family.

bh4d · Member

The charge for the MJ voucher was CPM5 no 61 needed ? also The PAR Bio hazardous placard? who did you guys send at 1500 to sit at Hospital one of the choices partner was at court

-- Edited by bh4d on Sunday 30th of October 2011 10:44:13 PM

Sgtfahlife · Veteran Member

wHAT DUD YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THE AIDED ??????

nickie323 · Veteran Member

I SENT THE PARTNER TO THE HOSPITAL

RICH-PD · Senior Member

the aided didn't make claim of an injury cardiac or DOA in the nursing home so i ascertained a bus was responding and resumed patrol but who knows what they hinting at with being unable to remove the lodged food

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

wereinbacklog wrote:
E D wrote:
Hazardous material question, not in basket the other one,
Establish command post. Many choice 300 feet but there was no spill or fire just an unknown substance.

-- Edited by wereinbacklog on Sunday 30th of October 2011 07:48:52 PM

2.Establish minimum frozen areas as follows: a.Outdoors - At least 300 feet in radius from hazardous material source

or spillage

This has got to be a double answer. It doesen't have to be a spill, 300 feet rule still applies

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

bh4d wrote:
The charge for the MJ voucher was CPM5 no 61 needed ? also The PAR Bio hazardous placard? who did you guys send at 1500 to sit at Hospital one of the choices partner was at court

-- Edited by bh4d on Sunday 30th of October 2011 10:44:13 PM

I sent business post three. It wasn't a must cover and the TSO was getting off in like 45 minutes

Edubz · Senior Member

BIO hazard placard WTF is that????
eviction - u may decide not to summons/arrest in DV cases, but it does not say u are wrong for doing so.
Hazmat - it didn't say it was a spill, fire,etc so how do u know how to proceed from there?
Dept accident - CO issues Cd's sgt/lt prepare supervisor's complaints. all choices were wrong

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

Edubz wrote:
BIO hazard placard WTF is that????
eviction - u may decide not to summons/arrest in DV cases, but it does not say u are wrong for doing so.
Hazmat - it didn't say it was a spill, fire,etc so how do u know how to proceed from there?
Dept accident - CO issues Cd's sgt/lt prepare supervisor's complaints. all choices were wrong

Exactly. The actual discipline is the duty of a captain or above. It is not in our purview as Lt, Sgt. Therefor I assumed it came down to judgement and I recommended re-training since the cop basically said he didn't understand the department rules.