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I've been on this site for years and never posted before now. After that mess, I feel compelled though! WTF?? I studied my @ss off and used every school's material in one way or another. In my opinion, the only school that even came close was Rising Star. They put out a package on that leadership/judgement and grammar crap. Maybe they knew something? Either way, I wasn't expecting almost a quarter of the exam to be subjective leadership/judgement stuff.....
For the next test I would suggest the following readings; Kaplan's SAT and LSAT prep, advanced highschool English for dummies, and several Robert Frost stories and poems. You will then be ready to wear a white shirt.
Just pulled out my Rising Star lesson, week # 9. In their leadership guide, here's what they said:
The subject of leadership has been an increasingly discussed topic over the years in organizations. Many years ago, promotional exam writers utilized leadership concepts to test promotional candidates ability to understand basic supervisory roles in the police department. On recent examinations, several questions have again surfaced that did not specifically relate to any particular patrol guide procedure however, it asked the test taker to make a determination on a proper action for a supervisor to take when faced with some type of conflict where the best practices of leadership would determine the correct response. In this regard, the book Supervision of Police Personnel, written by N.F. Iannone, M.D. Iannone, and J. Bernstein (7th ed., 2009), is considered by many to be the bible of police supervision. Rising Star has utilized the material in this book to develop the questions in this section and deliver the focal learning concepts.
It is conceivable that you may encounter a question or two on your exam that relates to police supervision. While it is not the goal of Rising Star to teach an extensive lesson on the topic, it certainly is an area worth visiting for your test preparation.
For the most part, the questions should not be too difficult and common sense would be the rule to apply. Therefore, the questions which follow will put you in a scenario and ask you a question on the proper action to be taken. The answer section will then briefly describe the key leadership concept that was applied to arrive at that answer. Unless directed otherwise in the stem of the question or elsewhere, do not read into the question and change the situation or create your own with a what if.Base your answer solely on the information given to you and what a reasonable supervisor should do under the circumstances.
Who are these guys from Rising Star, and how did they get out in front of this one??? hmmmmmmm..........
Even Rising Star couldn't have known there would be around 20 such questions. Also even if they got this, it should not be written in such a way to blatantly contradict actual Patrol Guide procedures. Does the NYPD want bosses that talk people out of EEO complaints and risk lawsuits? Bosses that enable their subordinates to steal property and turn a blind eye?
I know the past format could use tweaking, but I really don't like that I was used as an experimental guinea pig for this exam and I have absolutely no idea if I made the list or not?
You've got it! That's why "A" is the correct choice. Just remember this for the exam and you will be OK.
With regard to your question about why we went "overboard" with Grammar, Math, and Police Supervison, we do feel that based on the past captain exam you might be seeing more subjective questions--questions that may even seem to contradict the patrol guide. In reality, though, these questions will be hard to protest because they come from a book entitled "Supervison of Police Personnel" by Iannone and Bernstein. Many departments use this book, and New York City is the only one that hasn't...until recently. It's a quick read, and I strongly recommend you get it (or at least go over the sections we've included in our material). Also, with grammar, you will see more grammar/reading comprehension questions on lieutenant and captain exams, this is the reason why we are also including more of it.
Good luck!
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Just pulled out my Rising Star lesson, week # 9. In their leadership guide, here's what they said:
The subject of leadership has been an increasingly discussed topic over the years in organizations. Many years ago, promotional exam writers utilized leadership concepts to test promotional candidates ability to understand basic supervisory roles in the police department. On recent examinations, several questions have again surfaced that did not specifically relate to any particular patrol guide procedure however, it asked the test taker to make a determination on a proper action for a supervisor to take when faced with some type of conflict where the best practices of leadership would determine the correct response. In this regard, the book Supervision of Police Personnel, written by N.F. Iannone, M.D. Iannone, and J. Bernstein (7th ed., 2009), is considered by many to be the bible of police supervision. Rising Star has utilized the material in this book to develop the questions in this section and deliver the focal learning concepts.
It is conceivable that you may encounter a question or two on your exam that relates to police supervision. While it is not the goal of Rising Star to teach an extensive lesson on the topic, it certainly is an area worth visiting for your test preparation.
For the most part, the questions should not be too difficult and common sense would be the rule to apply. Therefore, the questions which follow will put you in a scenario and ask you a question on the proper action to be taken. The answer section will then briefly describe the key leadership concept that was applied to arrive at that answer. Unless directed otherwise in the stem of the question or elsewhere, do not read into the question and change the situation or create your own with a what if.Base your answer solely on the information given to you and what a reasonable supervisor should do under the circumstances.
Who are these guys from Rising Star, and how did they get out in front of this one??? hmmmmmmm..........
I have to stick up for them. Rising Star cuts out A LOT of the fat in the Patrol Guide, they brake down many of the procedures. They also do encourage reading the P.G. itself and taking another course's In-basket. However, had this exam been a 'normal' traditional exam with P.G., I.O.s, Legal Bulletins, etc., the Rising Star course would have been friutful. There are a couple of courses out there that people swear by, but people study differently. I personally dont like arrows going across a page pointing to boxes and circles or courses that start at P.G. 207, then jumps around. To each their own.
Here is some food for thought, 2010 Captain's Exam had 15 throw outs! It will be interesting to see what happens in the spring/summer (hopefully it won't take that long) when they come out with the final answer key.
Wishing all the best!
Stay thirsty my friends....
-- Edited by wileone on Sunday 30th of October 2011 03:24:08 PM
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My public school english teacher!!!! Wish I'd paid better attention in english class. I thought if I needed to write a report I could simply use spell check on the computer
My public school english teacher!!!! Wish I'd paid better attention in english class. I thought if I needed to write a report I could simply use spell check on the computer
I'm sorry, but Rising Star nailed this one, if I only listened. If I have time, I'll pull up the post with people complaining that RS questions had too many Select the least correct/Which is the most appropriate etc type questions and that's exactly what was on the test. They also de-emphazied many topics that are exam staples by telling people to study the whole guide equally bec the questions can and will come from anywhere, including obscure procedures. The biggest tip of all was of course the grammar and Police Supervision book that no one else covered, other than rising star. It looks like the home study people who crammed for 2-3 months are the winners here. Hard lesson learned: just because a school charges close to $1,000 bucks and "everybody" is going there doesn't mean they are the best. Maybe next time
I didn't take this best, but you know it's f-up when those that studied were on the ledge and those that didn't are walking around thinking they have a shot.
COMMUNITY COLLEGE PSYCH 101 AND SEVENTH GRADE READING COMPREHENSION.........WHO CARES WHAT SCHOOL DID WHAT? THE TEST IS OVER AND IT WAS AN ABORTION.....THE NOTICE OF EXAM WAS AMBIGUOUS AND DIDN'T LAY OUT WHAT WE SHOULD STUDY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY A SCHOOL, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HOME STUDY AND DCAS/DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE PREPARED US TO DO THAT. PROTEST EVERYTHING....
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You've got it! That's why "A" is the correct choice. Just remember this for the exam and you will be OK.
With regard to your question about why we went "overboard" with Grammar, Math, and Police Supervison, we do feel that based on the past captain exam you might be seeing more subjective questions--questions that may even seem to contradict the patrol guide. In reality, though, these questions will be hard to protest because they come from a book entitled "Supervison of Police Personnel" by Iannone and Bernstein. Many departments use this book, and New York City is the only one that hasn't...until recently. It's a quick read, and I strongly recommend you get it (or at least go over the sections we've included in our material). Also, with grammar, you will see more grammar/reading comprehension questions on lieutenant and captain exams, this is the reason why we are also including more of it.
Good luck!
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How can questions based on a book we were never told to read be hard to protest? It also contradicts a guide we are responsible to know. If you read the reviews of that book on Amazon half the people say its a book that is based on theories of how to supervise civilians in an office setting. RisingStar had inside info and is defending the questions. Seems a little suspicious to me.
-- Edited by RumorMill on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 03:26:54 AM
Very contradictory. If it was used for captains test then how the hell they applied for lt test I don't get it..... They threw out 15 questions in captains test and I have a feeling many more will be thrown out from this one. every section but math was an abortion- in-basket, confusing pg questions, judgmental definitely will be thrown out
Myself. Plus I have to credit my current CO and Lt platoon commander with the judgment portion, based on experience, helping me get one of the questions right (assuming DCAS key jibes with the rising star key). 1000 bucks, 2000+ pages of materials from an unnamed promotional school did not make much of a difference.
