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NostradamusOfDominoes · Member

UPDATED KEY!!!

bee1242 · Senior Member

I know it's hard but try not to be too sad NofD, there will be another exam. Last exam I had a 46 and it made me feel terrible but at least I did not wait holding my breath for the DCAS key to come out. This time I have a 69 without counting doubles and the wait for the DCAS key is killing me. It's all I can think about, absolutely horrible. I am compulsively checking this site, it's maddening. Anyway, I truly believe that all of us that really want to will pass eventually.

RICH-PD · Senior Member

yeah i know for a fact i got question #70 wrong...
also for some stupid reason the found narco in a bldg i put a pct 61# with copies for OCCB which i found is wrong...

to answer that question with the gun ... you have to understand a silencer is NOT considered an accessory by there definition it doesnt matter if its attached or not it goes on the same voucher ALWAYS. ...

rising star had a hard ass question with that kinda scenario and after that i knew id never get a gun voucher question wrong. inspector shea also was good during the course with the guns.

i dont know about you domino but i studied hard as hell am im confident in how i did brother. no worries here i slept good that night.

Hwoarang01 · Veteran Member

I agree with unborn, I put A as well for narcotics 2 oz question.

NYG37 · Senior Member

Do you remember which question it was ? Was it 90 ?

hollar · Guru

the Narco question... the pct gets the number and a copy goes to OCCB... Not the patrol borough narco....

RICH-PD where did you find that at??

hollar · Guru

Rich-PD, what did you get for force figures? I got 30, i'm trying to figure out who I added extra, I know for a fact that the answer is 29... did you count the SOL?

RICH-PD · Senior Member

force figures i got 29 there was three officers doing a 4x12...i dont remember if i counted the SOL but i do know that anyone who started AFTER 1500 did not get counted on my roll call.

i put pct 61 with a copy to occb ... according to 207-1 i think they said if the complaint is of an occb type they get a copy of it .. so thats what i put.. i just heard from a few people they said something else...

RICH-PD · Senior Member

it had to be a duplicate copy to OCCB right? .... they gotta release this answer key ... this is torture.. i spent literally almost 9 whole months gave up so much for this exam and they make me wait yet another month for the key.....

i know for a fact i did well... i honestly wanted to break 90 .. and i might have compared to bertmans key i got a 94 on this test

hollar · Guru

RICH-PD thats correct, the control substance was found in a building, if i remeber the question correctly, the pct gives the 61 # and a duplicate goes to OCCB.... one of the answers stated to send to Bk south narco, thats incorrect...

do you recall what # question that was? if memory serves me correct on that question the answer was B, because A had the dup going to BK south Narco, C & D OCCB gave the 61 a #

RICH-PD · Senior Member

alright so i probably got that one right.. but as the days pass i forget which question was which i

bet for some reason it was probably one of those questions on bertmans key where it was split ....

i dont know why i start doubting myself....i had that book memorized.

i see people on thesee forums arguing over some of the simplest stuff on that test like question

16 the crime scene..... that was a gimme and same for 37 where they had the typo, easy question

..had to know they wanted the COPS duties not the DO...phencyclidine easy silencer easy.. bomb

easy , edp easy...

most of the people that post on this site especially this far had to be the ones studying so i dont doubt that most people HERE passed according to bertmans key... like i said i got a 94 compared to his so its as close to on the money as its gonna get until march 9th

RICH-PD · Senior Member

i went with the duplicate to OCCB cause thats all i ever read ... sending duplicate copies to occb if its in a building but we give it the #... i though it was easy but people are swearing its like the narco district or some sh*t. all well i went with what i read so we'll see what the geniuses say from DCAS

i wish i could remember what # question that was.. i was gonna go to the protest session just to look at the exam again.. i personally believe there were 0 questions on that exam worth protesting.. it was right there... maybe the force figure question with the SOL ... thats it really ...

they locked you into a procedure in from what i can remember like every question. so it is what it is.. and thats what they will say if you think you can argue something on this test... this was my first exam so my opinion doesn't really count either.....

good luck guys you'll pass if you had put in the time and effort

hollar · Guru

RICH-PD

I agree with you all the way.... the only question that i think worth protesting is the Force Figure.... this test, my first, was not difficult...

OCCB were right, never read anything about Narco...

I didn't do as good as you, but I strongly believe that I passed this exam with at least a 85, compare to your answer sheet, I have 13 wrong

20andout · Veteran Member

THE ANSWER TO THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION WAS NARCO DISTRICT. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE CAN NOT GO BY THE MADE UP ANSWER KEYS. JUST BECAUSE 25 PEOPLE ALLEGEDLY GOT THE SAME ANSWER DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS RIGHT. IT MAY BE MORE LIKELY TO BE THE ANSWER BUT IT IS NOT FINAL UNTIL DCAS PRINTS OUT THE FINAL KEY. I STRONGLY ADVISE THE CELEBRATING TO COME TO A HAULT. AT LEAST DON'T GO BACK TO YOUR COMMANDS BRAGGING ABOUT HOW WELL YOU DID BASED ON THESE MADE UP ANSWER KEYS.

youcallwebrawl · Veteran Member

Only 10 to 15 percent of the people taking the exam pass. If 25 people put their answer keys together and almost everyone passed, there is definitely something wrong with it.

HardExam · Senior Member

I know God forbid the unofficial answer key is off by 1 or 2... Everyone has to be wrong... Way to be optimistic...

3yrWonder · Senior Member

I definately think the DV cop requesting admin should be protested. She called to request it, nothing in the question said she went regualr sick and apparently the answer was for her to remain in residence unless granted by the surgeon or sick desk supervisor. That answer is written in the PG under Regular Sick. Well that answer would be good if she went Regular Sick and not Admin Sick. Just because she tried getting admin and isn't going to get it, doesn't mean she's definately going regular. She sprained her ankle it could hurt then but be ok by the time she goes to work, the member needs to request regular or be told by the boss to go regular. The boss could only give her Regular, it never said Regular was given. It should have said something to the effect of grant her regular sick and advise her to remain at residence so on and so forth, it shouldn't be assumed that she was given regular or requested regular, it should have said it in the question or at least the answer. If anyone agrees or disagrees give me your opinions.

-- Edited by 3yrWonder at 02:55, 2009-02-20

hollar · Guru

20andout, where did you read that the answer is Narco???? I looked it up myself, prove me otherwise, is in the patrol guide.... ur an idiot, ur probally did poorly on the answer key...

notsomuch · Veteran Member

20andout is right.207-08 note after step8

fodx · Guru

What # question was the Narco one? And the answer was what letter?

hollar · Guru

according to 207-08 after step 8, it states
"B. in instances where controlled substance/drug parapernalia is found in a building, a copy of the 61 will be forwarded to the concerned Narcotics District, OCCB, or Narco Ops, Strategic & Tactical CMD, Brooklyn North (S.A.T. COM.) for informational purposes"

I stand corrected, I apologize to 20andout...

-- Edited by hollar at 16:49, 2009-02-20

-- Edited by hollar at 16:49, 2009-02-20

3yrWonder · Senior Member

What precinct was the question talking about, I think it was the 67, which is brooklyn south. I believe the answer choice said brooklyn north narcotics in it, in which case then it would be OCCB. Can anyone add input to this? I believe the answer was for it to get a precinct 61# and forwarded to OCCB

-- Edited by 3yrWonder at 16:53, 2009-02-20

bee1242 · Senior Member

3yW, you are correct. That's why I picked the choice with OCCB.

20andout · Veteran Member

ITS OK HOLLAR, WE'RE ALL GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT MANY QUESTIONS AND ARE FRUSTRATED. IN THE ANSWER IT DID SAY BROOKLYN SOUTH NARCOTICS NOT BROOKLYN NORTH.

Hwoarang01 · Veteran Member

20andout is right, the question was #90 and the answer choice was brooklyn south narcotics, I definetly double checked it.

notsomuch · Veteran Member

that's why these guys are right when they say wait for the DCAS key. We're driving ourselves crazy.... but it's fun ! Good luck to you

-- Edited by notsomuch at 19:43, 2009-02-20

RICH-PD · Senior Member

well im telling you bertmans key is as good as its gonna get .... you cant possibly tell me when i know i studied for a long time and my key matches 94 times with his that its that far off. understandably there will be some toss ups but the other 90 are right

notsomuch · Veteran Member

I agree. But the people on the bubble, sitting at 72 to 78, it can still go either way. Last exam I was a victim of the answer key. I thought I passed w/73 and ended up w/68. Your answers sound solid just from reading your posts it's obvious you put in the time. I put the time in too, and feel the same as last test. I'm just saying I feel your pain!!

Phantom3628 · Veteran Member

Guys - Are you counting the questionable ones as right or wrong? I am counting the questionable ones as wrong even though I have the same answer as the majority. I am coming up with a 78. I should hope that some are correct and I will put me a head a few points. Is that anyone else's thoughts or should I start studying again???

Thanks for all these posts...looking forward to 3/9....good luck!

NYG37 · Senior Member

I think there will be at least 10 questions that will be wrong on that answer key and they are not necessarily questions that are marked questionable.

fodx · Guru

Yes but those questinos can also be ones that you have down as wrong. You can gain or lose points. Its tough not knowing which way its gonna go for you.

HardExam · Senior Member

All I hope is that Rich PD scored in the 90s cause i get high 70s when i compare my key to his...

RICH-PD · Senior Member

hardexam....i put my heart into studying for this exam cause theres only one way to go on this job.....i was tired of listening to these slob bosses at details and stuff....and i said to myself as soon as i get the opportunity to take it im going all the way with it...i studied everyday went to the key twice a week ..did rising star... and went to as many fast track classes as i could ..i had read the PG completely before they even announced the exam..

i think you'll be alright bro

RICH-PD · Senior Member

only two more exams to go...hope they have the LT exam in 2010 or 2011

HardExam · Senior Member

thanx... i studied my ass off too... key class every week and read the patrol guide in its entirety...
i know i got a certain questions wrong and where i got them wrong... your answers do mostly jive with mine... so i got my fingers crossed... there is no reason i shouldnt have gotten above a 70... and like you said... so many pathetic bosses... and in my current status with this dept i figured what better way to pass my time while modified for no good reason than to study... study... study....

RICH-PD · Senior Member

thats good .. hardexam how much time you got OTJ ? ... so what you gotta wait till the job figures out they are retarted and give you your stuff back.. then how much longer would you have to wait till you get made?...

mac363 · Member

without the bubble questions I'm looking at a 67 with the bubble questions I'M looking at a 79, I really hope I passed.

mac363 · Member

actually i rechecked the key i might be a little higher without the bubble but I'm not sure I'm so nervous checking the key I keep messing it up????????

mac363 · Member

actually without bubbles i might be at a 71???

cop · Senior Member

i am at 59 exact answers and 27 doubles 14 totslly different answers i wonder what my chances are lol

collarsfordollars · Senior Member

RICH-PD wrote:

only two more exams to go...hope they have the LT exam in 2010 or 2011

Even if you pass the test, what makes you think that you will make a boss by the time LT exam comes. The way they promoting right now, it might take them 2 years just to establish your list and then go through it slowly. If I was you, I would hope LT exam would be in 2012 or 2013. No offense!

-- Edited by collarsfordollars at 01:19, 2009-02-21

prodigalson · Newbie

I READ WHAT PLAN-Q AND BEE1242 WROTE,KNOW THIS ONE THING,THAT TEST IS SOMETHING TO BE RESPECTED.I STUDIED HARD,SO MUCH TO THE POINT THAT I WENT AND USED UP MY WHOLE VACATION TO REALLY PUT IN THE HOURS.NOW IN REGARDS TO THE POST THAT THOSE THAT WENT TO THE KEY SHOULD OF GONE TO THE FAST TRACK,WELL THATS NOT THE CASE AT ALL.THESE CLASSES ARE NOT A SUPPLEMENT TO THE SOURCE WHICH IS THE PATROL GUIDE.I AGREE WITH THE STUDYING SMART PART,BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES HARD WORK.TRUTH IS THAT TO SOME IT WAS EASY TO OTHERS IT WAS A CHALLENGE.I TOOK ALL SIX HOURS,JUST LIKE LAST YEAR AND TWICE I ALMOST WALKED OUT AND GAVE UP HAD IT NOT BEEN THE CASE THAT THOSE SIX HOURS WERE MY 27 VACATION DAYS.LAST YEAR THESE ANSWERE KEYS HAD ME AT A 69,I LOST THREE AND GAINED ONE.IS IT IN THE BALL PARK YES IT IS.THIS YEAR IT HAS ME AT A 75.GLAD I KEPT MY SEAT.

Phantom3628 · Veteran Member

Are you counting the questionable ones " ??????" as right or wrong? on Bertmans key?

prodigalson · Newbie

IM NOT COUNTING THE QUESTIONABLE ONES.WITH THOSE THAT CAN GO EITHER WAY IM AT A POSSIBLE 79 PLUS THE SENIORITY POINTS.

RICH-PD · Senior Member

i burned two weeks vacation and then came down with a cold !...

hollar · Guru

word has it that the key is never released on time... so maybe 3/17 is released... we all go drink on ST PATTY'S DAY... another set-up by the dept

-- Edited by hollar at 21:19, 2009-02-21

-- Edited by hollar at 01:32, 2009-02-22

cop · Senior Member

if bertmans key is a 100 i have a 55 oh well I can hope that its off by 15 and 15 i got that are wrong on bertmans but good job questions 11 thru 20 killed me if this is right can anyone remember any of them I want protests

Hwoarang01 · Veteran Member

Last year, I didnt study at all and the key said I got a 50 and thats exactly what DCAS answer key gave me. So I think this is spot on as close as it gets. Also, does anyone remember question 69? I didnt mark it on my answer sheet.

mac363 · Member

Good job buddy know how u feel, yeah last year I checked this site and it was right on stated I had a 66 and when the final key came out I had a 66!

notsomuch · Veteran Member

I agree, Berts key is dead on! Lets go and buy new unies, stripes and all!!