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Now that the PBA and the city have approved a new contract, does anyone know if the SBA will try to renegotiate the contract for sgts? It seems to me now that there isn't that much disparity in pay between sgts and cops now. The amount of money in overtime for a guy who collars a lot is going to let him blow past a sgt in pay.
Only thing they renegotiate is starting pay for sgts. Otherwise its the same as normal with a top pay sgt. making about 15,000 more than top pay cop. The fact that sgts. basically stay the same salary for 4 years is a joke and is why now that pba is back up to date with contracts watch very few take the next sgt. test.
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All the other unions bad mouthed the pba for fighting every round, while they "negotiated" & took the 3 & 3.15 then used there reopener to "negotiate" and get peanuts again, while the pba kept hammering at (almost) 5's for every round and now took the parity rate of 4's which actually mean something added to those hard fought 5's...... Now personaly I see alittle bit less of a reason to study for sgt.
The only reason to study and get promoted on this job is for money. If cops made 100,000 a year there would be no bosses. Who wants all that responsibility and headaches when you can actually live on a cops salary with not an ounce of responsibility? I totally agree, numbers will be way down with next tests. When this new contract is up in 2010 the next raise will put cops in the 80's base with 6 figures easily attainable with holiday, night diff, longevity, ot.
"all that responsibility and headaches"??? gimmee a break. It's not that much responsibility and there aren't really too many headaches. After almost 2 years in rank I can tell ya from my experience the rank of sergeant blows away bein a cop.
And as far as pay goes...don't be so shortsighted as to look at base pay for a sgt and top pay for a cop. A sgt at top pay blows away a cop at top pay, end of story. And besides that, if you have any ambition on this job...you have to make sgt if you ever want to make LT.
"all that responsibility and headaches"??? gimmee a break. It's not that much responsibility and there aren't really too many headaches. After almost 2 years in rank I can tell ya from my experience the rank of sergeant blows away bein a cop.
And as far as pay goes...don't be so shortsighted as to look at base pay for a sgt and top pay for a cop. A sgt at top pay blows away a cop at top pay, end of story. And besides that, if you have any ambition on this job...you have to make sgt if you ever want to make LT.
Hey stiggity Do you have any information regarding your union trying to renegotiate after the pba's contract.
" And besides that, if you have any ambition on this job...you have to make sgt if you ever want to make LT. "
let sleeping dogs lie.....if they dont have any ambition that makes it much easier for those of us who actually have goals. less competition!!! many worry about top pay, arrests, rdo ot, etc....whatever happend to having a career rather than a job? spending more time at home with wives and children rather than at the complaint room? (divorce rate among cops is very high)
All these cops saying, "well after this new contract, why should I be a sergeant?". That's their own choice, they can stay being a cop. There is really nothing wrong with being a cop for 20 years. But don't talk down another cop who wants to do more and further his/her career. Now if the SBA gets another contract and makes a much wider difference in pay, then you will hear the same cops who complain about "I don't want to be a Sgt cause I can make $90,000 as a cop" ask when is the next Sgt exam. Yes, there are more responsibilities, but one that is worth the headaches. PO may make more OT, but OT is never guaranteed. Sgts also make OT as well. So OT can not be factored in when discussing overall compensation.
If you have less than 10 years, taking the Sgts exam is a huge investment. The difference btw a PO and a Sgt at top pay is $30,000. (OT not factored in). If a cop becomes a Sgt in 5 years and reach top pay at his 9th year. If he stays as a Sgt, he will make (11 years x $30,000)=$330,000. That's $330,000 more than a PO. Plus if he lives another 30 years (at least), 1/2 of $30,000 is $15,000, thats an additional $450,000 (pension). So if you add it all up, it's an $780,000 investment through your entire lifetime. That's just passing 1 exam. If you make it to LT, that's another story.
I don't think everyone realizes that the new PBA contract puts a damper on rookie/ future sergeants.
"After almost 2 years in rank I can tell ya from my experience the rank of sergeant blows away bein a cop."
How do you like that a top pay cop makes a little more than you and you already have 2 years in rank. By the 3rd year you would have finally beat him by approx 600 bucks.
"And besides that, if you have any ambition on this job...you have to make sgt if you ever want to make LT. "
Good luck in taking the 2011 or 2012 LT exam and passing with a good enough score to be promoted. With the rate of current list, if you're not in the top 300 expect another 2-3 years after that list comes out. And trust me that next LT exam will be the most competitive exam in NYPD history.
"The difference btw a PO and a Sgt at top pay is $30,000."
If you do the math and use the pattern set for by the current PBA contract, top pay cops will make by 2012 = $88,000 which is base + longevity but no night diff. Sgt hired by 2008 will make by 2012 = $101,000 (base + longevity) no night diff.
With that in mind you need to wait 4 years to reap the financial benefits of a sgt.
Houston we have a problem!!! Less people will sign up for the next sergeant's exam because the gap between rookie sergeant's pay and top pay officers is horrible. Many who are financial bound by their OT as a cop will not take this exam. An officer who does 26 hours of OT a month for 11 months will supplement their income by $17,000. So let's use 8/1/09 salary $76,488 +(longevity of $4,389 + OT of 26hrs per month for 11 months $17,000= $97,877 vs rookie sergeant with 8/09 pay $75,920 + $4,230 longevity = $80,150 ....As for OT as a Sergeant...OT is slim picking because of senior sergeants and the boro's tightening of OT.
Of course rookie sergeants will get some OT...But I figure the difference will be $10,000 in favor the cop x that by 4 years = $40,000
Although the rank is better in certain aspects, I want to get paid for my work.
And by the way - I'm a rookie sergeant! Right DOA!
I didn't go for promotion for money. I was tired of busting my ass for a kick in the teeth every other day. Besides, the Sgt pay is not going to stay where it is. They will either renegotiate or it will go up accordingly in the next contract.
And trust me that next LT exam will be the most competitive exam in NYPD history. One of the Lt's tests in the 90's had 99% of the Sgt's register for it. I'm not sure you'll beat that, but yes the next test will be very competitive.
I got promoted last year, I'm in a good command but it was definitly a good move for me. I enjoy the rank, the extra money, the possibility to move on. Sometimes it's a headache, but sometimes being a cop is a headache too.
When you are not sure whether or not you want to be a Sergeant think of the Boss that you had that was buddies with the cop in your unit or squad. Think of how it felt to have a boss who favored that guy and dumped all the crap on you "just because he could". Think of the fact that you can get SA pay if in the right place and make Lt pay for the job of a Sgt. Think of the fact that if you go to a detail as as Sgt. you are a BOSS in a detail and can set the mood for it and keep a leveled playing field. Think of the fact that you can fix what you dont like on a smaller scale as opposed to always being the "victim". Think of the fact that you can assign the lazy sector their own bags of shyte instead of letting them get away with it all the time. Think of the fact that you can make sure more units "back" big jobs and "do the right thing" on patrol. Think of the fact that Sgts will ALWAYS make more than a cop and only have to supervise as opposed to always having to collar, write and testify. Think of the fact that as a Sgt who hits 20 years you dont have to kill yourself to retire with 106,000 pensionable income. You will be making MORE since that is only to 2011!
Not that I have done any thinking about this issue... hehe
When you are not sure whether or not you want to be a Sergeant think of the Boss that you had that was buddies with the cop in your unit or squad. Think of how it felt to have a boss who favored that guy and dumped all the crap on you "just because he could". Think of the fact that you can get SA pay if in the right place and make Lt pay for the job of a Sgt. Think of the fact that if you go to a detail as as Sgt. you are a BOSS in a detail and can set the mood for it and keep a leveled playing field. Think of the fact that you can fix what you dont like on a smaller scale as opposed to always being the "victim". Think of the fact that you can assign the lazy sector their own bags of shyte instead of letting them get away with it all the time. Think of the fact that you can make sure more units "back" big jobs and "do the right thing" on patrol. Think of the fact that Sgts will ALWAYS make more than a cop and only have to supervise as opposed to always having to collar, write and testify. Think of the fact that as a Sgt who hits 20 years you dont have to kill yourself to retire with 106,000 pensionable income. You will be making MORE since that is only to 2011!
Not that I have done any thinking about this issue... hehe
Exactly. Not to mention im tired of the 'X a month' and 'X a quarter' game. Or having to transport crime and other details bags of s*** because they dont care what they collar... because they dont have to sit on them. Or picking up others jobs because they decided to make a 511 at 5pm on a 4x12...
Hey Stiggity, pump the brakes Big Guy!!! I was just pointing out that we are reaching a point in our contract negotiations where a cop is going to be able to live on his salary without being on the desk and having to worry about the perp cop taking his rmp to his girls house in a different boro on meal, or the prisoner hanging himself in the squads cells 3 floors away from you. I have done patrol for over 5 years, so yes I see that a sgt blows away being a cop and thats why I studied and passed. And no disrespect to your "2 years in rank" but a cop can be ambitious on this job without becoming a boss.
"How do you like that a top pay cop makes a little more than you and you already have 2 years in rank. By the 3rd year you would have finally beat him by approx 600 buck"
Funny, all this talk about cops making as much as sgts. I made 95thousand my first year as a sgt.....and I did it standing on my head....
"Good luck in taking the 2011 or 2012 LT exam and passing with a good enough score to be promoted. With the rate of current list, if you're not in the top 300 expect another 2-3 years after that list comes out. And trust me that next LT exam will be the most competitive exam in NYPD history"
The next test will probably be sometime in 2010. And as far as me getting a good enough score.....my list number on my sgt's test was in the low 20's, so I'm sure I'll be just fine junior. Thanks for your concern though.
Hey stiggityone, I think that you're ABSOLUTELY on point. I think that the next Lt's Exam is going to be VERY VERY competitive!!!!! Its going to be Juniors (5 Year wonders, 2-3 years in rank) VS Dinasours Sergeants who failed the last exam and want to get promoted.
yes. more retro. sgts have no choice but to renegotiate. newly promoted sgts are making less than top pay cops right now in every year til the end of the contract.
