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This union is complete shit but for those of you who are saying to take this deal, the hell is wrong with you people? You are the same people that would vote on 1% raise's just so you can pay your credit card debt with the dogshit retro. The proposal does not fix the compression issue for the future. The 3.25% raise which would be in effect retroactively on 12/10/21 would be pushed back until 04/25/2022 (losing 4 months and 15 days
of retro), a two month contract extension which is essentially zero's for two months (last contract had 3 months and 9 days of 0's, if you add these two months of 0's you are looking at half a damn year with no raise aka garbage). No retro for Sergeants promoted between 1/1/23 and 12/9/24. I know most of you don't give a shit about the new Sergeants but then at the same time you expect the Union and new sergeants to give a shit about you? No sergeant should forfeit retro in any capacity. Remember, eventually those guys will run this rank and hang us out to dry the first chance they can if you go an screw them at the first chance you can (remember we already tried to screw them, and did screw some of them, in the past with adding a 6th step). Newly promoted Sergeants forfeiting 2 days for the first 5 years in rank... To me that sounds like they mean 10 days over a 5 year span (2 per year). Why the hell does anyone have to forfeit any days? The union should be getting us more vacation time with how stressful this damned rank is, not less days. I still never understood why none of these unions fight for more vacation time, as if 27 days is something that can't ever be changed. Hire a panel of doctors that can paint the picture of time off from work (vacation time) and its affect on mental health and bring it into negotiations. Now half of you on here keep talking about getting us to top pay in exchange for giving back all of these things, where in that pamphlet does it say anyone would be going to top pay? Absolutely no where.

Why, like our last contract, should we have givebacks. We are in this position because of what has happened in the past (caving to the city). The other unions gave back nothing and so should we. Also, my delegate said no one showed up to protest at the last meeting. A little disappointed in those who claimed they were going, they were going to make noise etc. All bullshit artist's just like Vallelong an Co. I don't know what the proper course of action is going forward but this proposal by the city is definitely not it.

Sba/or we should be posting on X everyday tagging everyone. Get a front page add on the NY Post.

We dont all agree on it but if this is the citys best & last offer, it should be put to vote for us to decide if we keep fighting or accept it. We have that right as union members.

The issue is that as someone else mentioned before everyones financial obligations are different. We shouldnt just bend over and take it, however the city can wait this thing out for years and they would not give a shit. Unless we were talking about zeroes or layoffs were eventually going to have to come to terms that this problem has been compounding from previous contracts. Is not like were buying a car and tell the guy Ill just go next door and give him my business instead.

Tier3scum wrote:

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6 months of zeroes. Fuck you. If we agree to this contract whats to stop zeroes being offered in every contract going forward. Too many scabs willing to bend over and say thank you. But then again this will probably pass with 80% if not better and thats why well continue getting shit down the road. Too many people who see the short gains and dont look at the long game.

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 Its a 20-25 year career brotha. Cant afford to stay out of contract for half of it or more. People are hurting. SBA clearly isnt capable of getting us a good contract. That much is clear. Perb is how long of a process? Just to be 3 years out of contract when it finally settles. I understand everyones frustrations. This shit sucks and we all deserve a lot more than this But more damage is done by sitting around waiting, not getting any raises. I begged people to vote no to the last contract. Gave up a step to top pay for nothing. SBA never should have presented that contract. It was atrocious. And thanks to that, we are in this predicament now. City has us by the balls and they know it. Only one who doesnt seem to know that is good ol Vinnie. 

Tier3scum wrote:

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6 months of zeroes. Fuck you. If we agree to this contract whats to stop zeroes being offered in every contract going forward. Too many scabs willing to bend over and say thank you. But then again this will probably pass with 80% if not better and thats why well continue getting shit down the road. Too many people who see the short gains and dont look at the long game.

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 Our last contract had zeroes in it and added a year to top pay. No one cared about zeroes then and we should have waited for the PBA to settle at that point. Contract passed with flying colors. Why would the city not add zeroes again when Vinny took zeroes last time?

SBA doesn't allow comments on their instagram posts anymore.

2025 Most Likely. Your more likely to watch the Super bowl before you see a contract

-- Edited by Taketheday on Tuesday 17th of September 2024 01:07:11 PM

In his eyes vinnie thinks he bought himself another year or two with that contract update and bullshit negotiation timeline that looks like one of his kids prepared it for him.

The AM & the Chief. Real great media outlets. What a waste. Put that shit in the NYPOST or have a segment on NBC News, then come talk to me.

Im not happy to be right about this lmao

If Vinnys plan was AMNY and the Chief Leader he may as well just sign the contract. Nobody reads those outlets, and the few who do probably do not care. That was a complete waste of money.

-- Edited by GangGreenMets on Wednesday 18th of September 2024 06:26:46 PM

DeptIsaJoke wrote:

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The quickest way this get solved is go visit Trump at his city residence. Don't worry there is no security, and let him know of this criminal pay disparity for him to talk about.

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 Come on now lets not get crazy

UncleC69 wrote:

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AMNY and the Chief are comical. Not a single person of substance reads any of those papers. I took a look at the Chief when an old timer told me to skim that to find a city job (I dont think he knew how to use a computer).

Since these bafoons read the site, you were a little late to the game and you chose a horrible outlet. The longer you guys are unable to connect with anyone, the worse this impacts us.

Please consider doing the patriotic thing and stepping down.


Love,
The Uncle

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 I was told to look at the chief for the same thing, I think it was 2006 or 2007. That was the first and last time I had ever read it. 

Vinny,

Im not going to tell you how to do your job but here are a few tips:

1- You need controversy- figure out a way to jump on a sensitive, media worthy incident like the subway shooting the other day and make some polarizing statements. Then start your campaign on the clout and platform youll have.

2- If you didnt know, You represent us. Speak to the Mayor- if you cant get to the Mayor, speak to him through an outlet that can. It isnt rocket science.

3- Looking at the numbers- losing $15000 in salary and interest is a lot worse than losing $1500 in retro. Youre holding out for Pennies. Even the retro is depreciating at a rate that essentially makes it a total fucking loss. A 20k retro a year ago is worth 6 percent less now. Use your head. And if you dont know how to do that, use your heart.

4- People will always complain- you should know this if you ever managed a squad. You can promote someone to specialist and theyll complain about the new tax bracket. Sign the contract and understand that the compression issue can be fixed in the next one as long as you get them above PO salary.

5- You need to plan ahead. Dont wait this long to do something about a contract. Waiting this long has down stream affects that impact kids, wives, mortgages, morale, psychological wellbeing, careers, decisions etc.

6- If you havent read the room yet, you may need to pull the ole Caban and resign bud. You have failed and frankly, are not good at your job.


Respectfully and with no faith,

Your broke brother in policing,

35 a month (without a contract and inflation I may have to be 50 a month)

-- Edited by 35amonth on Thursday 19th of September 2024 11:53:30 AM

Hahahahahahahaha! Fantastic


Respectfully and with no faith,

Your broke brother in policing,

35 a month (without a contract and inflation I may have to be 50 a month)

Till we get this thing settled I guess is AKA Vinny Vaseline .

Vinny Limpshlong

Did everyone go to previous meeting? Was anyone allowed to speak? I'm guessing noone went.

There were a few people there, mostly delegates. I wish more showed up.

For anyone wondering, Vinny has no plan. And honestly, its not his fault that he has no idea whats going on.He wasnt even voted in. He just took advantage of the Mullins disaster, and since the spineless directors were scared of him he was allowed to slither to the top.

If Vinnys grand plan was to let 1,400 sergeants get screwed by the city, leave us without a contract for three years, and then take out an ad in AMNY, we are in some serious trouble.

Vinny, do the patriotic thing and step down. Its not personal, its business. Youre in way over your head.




Fraternally,

The Uncle

I like how a union of 5,000 and not one person steps up to take charge and out Vinny or his team of cronies. Im sure you all know someone who works for the daily news or the post, spill some beans and be a leader. Everyone likes to hide under the radar and no one wants to make a splash. If thats the case, then you deserve your no contract and your 97K a year salary because no one is fighting for you. Vinny is a piece of crap. The whole team is corrupt. I heard Vinny been taking bribes right along with Eric Adams

Just assume this is not getting settled until next year. Or beyond but even then thats if the PBA sits down and actually settles in 2025, we may have to wait closer to end of 2026 after another 1500 SGT are sent straight to top pay while everyone else is stuck at 97,000. Its just clear incompetence and just reflects how poorly our union has handled this.

No1isbetter wrote:

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Its clear the city & the SBA have decided whats best for them is to sacrifice 1400 SGTs. In their minds, ppl are going to get promoted or retire & that # will dwindle down & each passing month theyll give a shit less. This union can truly, undoubtedly, can go fuck itself.

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 Seems like they have no choice but to leave those sergeants hanging. That, or agree to givebacks that will impact all sergeants indefinitely. 

GangGreenMets wrote:

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So what is Vinnys plan now? Take out two ads in two lame duck papers and call it a day? Anybody know when the next meeting is?

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 Next SBA meeting is Thursday October 24

There is no way we can wait a year. Another year of Vinny sitting on his ass waiting is unacceptable.