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fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

New SBA Contract

VetteCop · Senior Member

great question... just silence from the SBA

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Best reason to pass the Lt exam was to get out of the SBA.

Taketheday · Guru

I was actually told by someone in SBA today on this exact issue that supposedly as of now that retro will only be based on the percentages that are being given for ur time as a SGT that you were out of contract. So for instance if we get 3% from 2021 and 3.5% for 2022 etc you would receive retro for whatever ur SGT salary was in those years plus those numbers, however the PBA making more than SBA members is not going to be fixed as of now, I was hoping all new SGT would also be adjusted to make more than PBA members current top pay but as of the last meeting in May the only raises and retro being given out will be based on the new % from the contract from 2021 or 2022 not sure exactly which one till now. For anyone to get retro or a pay adjustment for any other issue, it seems like you would need to sue because the City and the Union will not fix it otherwise.

-- Edited by Taketheday on Thursday 8th of June 2023 01:05:28 AM

Braveheart · Senior Member

fiftyfouredp wrote:
Best reason to pass the Lt exam was to get out of the SBA.

I don't think the LBA is any better.

VetteCop · Senior Member

Taketheday wrote:
I was actually told by someone in SBA today on this exact issue that supposedly as of now that retro will only be based on the percentages that are being given for ur time as a SGT that you were out of contract. So for instance if we get 3% from 2021 and 3.5% for 2022 etc you would receive retro for whatever ur SGT salary was in those years plus those numbers, however the PBA making more than SBA members is not going to be fixed as of now, I was hoping all new SGT would also be adjusted to make more than PBA members current top pay but as of the last meeting in May the only raises and retro being given out will be based on the new % from the contract from 2021 or 2022 not sure exactly which one till now. For anyone to get retro or a pay adjustment for any other issue, it seems like you would need to sue because the City and the Union will not fix it otherwise.

-- Edited by Taketheday on Thursday 8th of June 2023 01:05:28 AM

What kind of numbers are we talking for each step here?

Taketheday · Guru

VetteCop wrote:
Taketheday wrote:
I was actually told by someone in SBA today on this exact issue that supposedly as of now that retro will only be based on the percentages that are being given for ur time as a SGT that you were out of contract. So for instance if we get 3% from 2021 and 3.5% for 2022 etc you would receive retro for whatever ur SGT salary was in those years plus those numbers, however the PBA making more than SBA members is not going to be fixed as of now, I was hoping all new SGT would also be adjusted to make more than PBA members current top pay but as of the last meeting in May the only raises and retro being given out will be based on the new % from the contract from 2021 or 2022 not sure exactly which one till now. For anyone to get retro or a pay adjustment for any other issue, it seems like you would need to sue because the City and the Union will not fix it otherwise.

-- Edited by Taketheday on Thursday 8th of June 2023 01:05:28 AM
What kind of numbers are we talking for each step here?

I was told similar to what the PBA got I don't know exact numbers. We are out of Contract since December 9 2021, I believe so I could maybe see 2022 and 2023 being a 3.5 and 4 possibly to help new SGT catch up somewhat to PBA top pay, but thats just a guess on my part. But I do know the pay disparity has been a big part of the negotiations along with 12 Hour Tours and Chart Time. So The union may appease new Bosses by getting us a big bump through the first 2 years but again just a guess on my part.

No1isbetter · Guru

Its on the SBA site. The chart is literally right there.

VetteCop · Senior Member

No1isbetter wrote:
Its on the SBA site. The chart is literally right there.

with the prospective numbers?

trying to find it

Spanish mama · Guru

Try clicking the big red bar that says Pay Differential Chart. They could not have made it any easier.

-- Edited by Spanish mama on Friday 9th of June 2023 03:24:48 AM

Richie · Member

How reliable is that chart? Wouldnt a cop getting promoted after July 21, 2023 go from $105,146 (PO top pay) to $105,606 (Step 5 Sgt) because of that rule where you cant make less than you previously made?

Broccoli · Veteran Member

Yes. Which is why the sba pres sent out that email to the guys that just got promoted.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Richie wrote:
How reliable is that chart? Wouldnt a cop getting promoted after July 21, 2023 go from $105,146 (PO top pay) to $105,606 (Step 5 Sgt) because of that rule where you cant make less than you previously made?

Yeah this is what im saying. Are they going to hold the new bosses there for 5 years? And guys promoted before the 1/30/22 contract and not at top pay are they going straight to current sgt top pay? The 105,606 step doesnt exist for us, we just jump from 97,894 to 118,056.

it would make the most sense to me that guys promoted before 1/30/22 will immediately go to the current top pay regardless. The current top pay will probably be the 1st entry step for new sgts.

Broccoli · Veteran Member

No. Current sgt pay will not get fixed. Again this is why that email was sent out. It's a big deal for those getting promoted after July 21.

Current sgts will just get the raise. No bump in steps.

Taketheday · Guru

Broccoli wrote:
No. Current sgt pay will not get fixed. Again this is why that email was sent out. It's a big deal for those getting promoted after July 21.

Current sgts will just get the raise. No bump in steps.

Correct they will not adjust the steps, the SBA wanted to and it seems that the City will not agree so new SGT will get the % raises and thats pretty much it. Even though an option was to push new SGT to the last step before top pay and hold them there for 5 years, that doesn't seem to be happening either. All the more reason to get promoted to LT, just a shame but much like everything else it will take a lawsuit or a grievance being filed to get this fixed unfortunately.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Taketheday wrote:
Broccoli wrote:
No. Current sgt pay will not get fixed. Again this is why that email was sent out. It's a big deal for those getting promoted after July 21.

Current sgts will just get the raise. No bump in steps.
Correct they will not adjust the steps, the SBA wanted to and it seems that the City will not agree so new SGT will get the % raises and thats pretty much it. Even though an option was to push new SGT to the last step before top pay and hold them there for 5 years, that doesn't seem to be happening either. All the more reason to get promoted to LT, just a shame but much like everything else it will take a lawsuit or a grievance being filed to get this fixed unfortunately.

So new Sgts are going to top pay and the ones promoted prior to this last promo are getting the short end of stick. Im pretty sure this happened before and that lawsuit went no where.

VetteCop · Senior Member

i found the chart... basically anybody who wasn't previously a detective prior to promo and/or @ step 5 or higher will make less than a top pay cop.

how could the union ever agree to something like that, and why would anybody take the rank for less pay and less overtime? The %'s agreed upon clearly need to be higher than PO. Why would ANY sergeant promoted after 1/2022 EVER vote yes?!

sick rank. sick union.

Richie · Member

Are sergeants in BMOC right now making 96 or 105?

HopeBoss · Senior Member

Richie wrote:
Are sergeants in BMOC right now making 96 or 105?

105

No1isbetter · Guru

Come Simeone explain to me how newly promoted Sergeants are at $105k right now? And why wouldnt this apply to all Sergeants regardless of when they were promoted in the last year plus

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

VetteCop wrote:
i found the chart... basically anybody who wasn't previously a detective prior to promo and/or @ step 5 or higher will make less than a top pay cop.

how could the union ever agree to something like that, and why would anybody take the rank for less pay and less overtime? The %'s agreed upon clearly need to be higher than PO. Why would ANY sergeant promoted after 1/2022 EVER vote yes?!

sick rank. sick union.

This applies to all sgts not at top pay currently

Futureauxiliary · Guru

fiftyfouredp wrote:
VetteCop wrote:
i found the chart... basically anybody who wasn't previously a detective prior to promo and/or @ step 5 or higher will make less than a top pay cop.

how could the union ever agree to something like that, and why would anybody take the rank for less pay and less overtime? The %'s agreed upon clearly need to be higher than PO. Why would ANY sergeant promoted after 1/2022 EVER vote yes?!

sick rank. sick union.
This applies to all sgts not at top pay currently

i got promoted last year im pretty sure im currently not at 105.

No1isbetter · Guru

Correct were definitely NOT at 105. $3688.63 x 26 = $96k only thing helping is 15 year longevity, a $2100 raise which is more than first 3 years combined.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Futureauxiliary wrote:
fiftyfouredp wrote:
VetteCop wrote:
i found the chart... basically anybody who wasn't previously a detective prior to promo and/or @ step 5 or higher will make less than a top pay cop.

how could the union ever agree to something like that, and why would anybody take the rank for less pay and less overtime? The %'s agreed upon clearly need to be higher than PO. Why would ANY sergeant promoted after 1/2022 EVER vote yes?!

sick rank. sick union.
This applies to all sgts not at top pay currently
i got promoted last year im pretty sure im currently not at 105.

right, because no one is at the 4th step yet from the new contract. so basically any sgt not at top pay is sitting at 96,000, not just those promoted since 1/30/22

VetteCop · Senior Member

My point still stands. Why would anybody vote yes? Aside from the dinosaurs looking to retire.

Vote yes. Then imminent lawsuit. Why? Just iron it out now.

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

Same reason we continuously keep getting shafted on contracts. Everyone you speak to says they will vote no, meanwhile its 90%+ vote yes and then blame the union.

We are our own worst enemies.

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Where do we stand on the non PBA unions fixing their pay scales to adjust for the new PO raise? Ive had several people including an SBA rep say that its going to get done soon. Anyone here been a part of those talks?

Spanish mama · Guru

All I know is PBA rep that came by where I work voiced different numbers from what is posted on that chart. The number stated was 160.

Taketheday · Guru

Spanish mama wrote:
All I know is PBA rep that came by where I work voiced different numbers from what is posted on that chart. The number stated was 160.

That 160 number is if you are a top pay SGT with 20 years on the job

Spanish mama · Guru

Thats not the number on the chart

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

I answered my own question. Front page of the SBA website vallelong on June 1 said they are close to a new contract but they have to discuss details like 12 hour tours. Well see

Spanish mama · Guru

Taketheday wrote:
Spanish mama wrote:
All I know is PBA rep that came by where I work voiced different numbers from what is posted on that chart. The number stated was 160.
That 160 number is if you are a top pay SGT with 20 years on the job

I see what you are saying. The chart is for people promoted after 1/30/22. Im currently top pay with over 15. So 160 sounds possible.

UncleC69 · Senior Member

-Uncle

-- Edited by UncleC69 on Sunday 11th of June 2023 06:41:07 PM

saharadesert23 · Veteran Member

i heard the sgts in bmoc were making 96 and not 105

Broccoli · Veteran Member

Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.

Taketheday · Guru

Broccoli wrote:
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.

Does this apply to all new SGT or just the group in BMOC?

TransitCop · Senior Member

Broccoli wrote:
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.

How much is step 4?

Braveheart · Senior Member

TransitCop wrote:
Broccoli wrote:
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.
How much is step 4?

Step 4 is $105000. So now rookie Sergeants are making more then Sergeants with 3 years or less in rank.

NoCD · Veteran Member

Braveheart wrote:
TransitCop wrote:
Broccoli wrote:
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.
How much is step 4?
Step 4 is $105000. So now rookie Sergeants are making more then Sergeants with 3 years or less in rank.

Isnt step 5 is 105? Step 4 is 97

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Braveheart wrote:
TransitCop wrote:
Broccoli wrote:
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.
How much is step 4?
Step 4 is $105000. So now rookie Sergeants are making more then Sergeants with 3 years or less in rank.

This happened last sgts list as well. I think SBA sued the city over it and ended up keeping them for 4 years at step 4 while everyone else took the hit. But it shouldnt matter as much this time since new starting pay is going to be way over 105,000 anyway and everyone will get a bump.

-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Monday 12th of June 2023 03:08:05 PM

LT4LIFE · Veteran Member

They cant legally keep you at 1 step for more than a year. This happened the last time the PBA settled their contract in 2017. Cops were making more than rookie Sergeants so they bumped all the sergeants to 4th step so they would be making more. SBA ended up suing the city for this and every Sergeant who was stuck at step 4 for a few years ended up getting a huge retro check for the years they were not making top pay after they were bumped.

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

It was negotiated with the last contract. You will be held at your step.

Taketheday · Guru

NauseousPBBN wrote:
It was negotiated with the last contract. You will be held at your step.

Held at what step? You mean you get bumped to step 4 and held there for 4 years? Or get held at whatever step you are currently at without an adjustment.

VetteCop · Senior Member

Step 5 is 105k.

Any detective promoted after 1/2022 went to step 5. Unless they had 5 years in rank. Then they went to step 6 (top pay)

Any detective at step 5 must complete 4 years in rank to get to top pay and are frozen at step 5 for those 4 years. Easy way to think of it is that everybody in the same BMOC class hits top pay at the same time. This was agreed upon when the last contact was voted on. Shafted a few hundred detectives. Maybe more.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

So everyone should be at 105 or 118 now, right?

Taketheday · Guru

We are not all at 105 base we are still at 96 base. If any of this is true it wont happen until they settle. If everyone jumped to 105 you would have noticed a difference in pay unless it literally just happened and its taking 2 pay periods.

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

You guys are mixing up sgts promoted before the pba contract with sgts in current bmoc, different scenarios

countryroads · Senior Member

It has been confirmed by Labor Relations that all Sergeants promoted this past May 30th will be jumping to step 5, and staying at step 5 for 5 years (top pay is step 6). This will be reflected beginning on the July 21st paycheck when the PBA retro hits and the new raises kick in. Unfortunately, those promoted before the PBA settled will be going through steps 1-5 normally. The SBA is working to fix these discrepancies. The best advice is to be patient, and call Labor Relations if you want specific details about your situation.

TransitCop · Senior Member

Fantastic Ill be making $10K less then cops Im supervising for two more damn years.

-- Edited by TransitCop on Tuesday 13th of June 2023 01:42:17 AM

VetteCop · Senior Member

countryroads wrote:
It has been confirmed by Labor Relations that all Sergeants promoted this past May 30th will be jumping to step 5, and staying at step 5 for 5 years (top pay is step 6). This will be reflected beginning on the July 21st paycheck when the PBA retro hits and the new raises kick in. Unfortunately, those promoted before the PBA settled will be going through steps 1-5 normally. The SBA is working to fix these discrepancies. The best advice is to be patient, and call Labor Relations if you want specific details about your situation.

step 5 for 4 completed years...

again you have to complete 4 years to get to top pay