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I rise · Senior Member

Curve

BlastLivesMatter · Senior Member

Heard anywhere from 48-52. Sounds like BS though.

I rise · Senior Member

That be great

3testwonder · Senior Member

48-52? Where is this coming from

TenFour16 · Guru

People are getting ridiculous with these rumors. No way in hell they go that low.

Seems like passer rate is low, I think everyone who scored on the 60s have a good shot.

No1isbetter · Guru

If 59 was good for CAPT exam, 60 should be good for this LT Exam.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

It all depends what the average score is and how many Lts they need. If the average was 50 and they need 1300 Lts, then yeah it can go that low

Itsjustajob · Member

How long does protest review board take to process the protests?

No1isbetter · Guru

If Im correct, CAPT exam had their corrected score within a month.

Johnny Zurita · Member

Can you guys please stop with the curve bullshit!! DCAS/DEPT should never curve any tests!!! It defeats the purpose of testing! How about try harder and study harder for the next one?? STOP with the curve bullshits! Be mindful that a lot of people who took this Lt exam were the ones that got made because of COVID extension or they never even passed with an 70 raw score on the last sgt exam.

No1isbetter · Guru

STFU.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Lol. The curve will continue

Johnny Zurita · Member

No1isbetter wrote:
STFU.

why you mad? were you one of the guys that did not even score an 70 raw score from the last sgt exam and now daydreaming for the curve bs again?

-- Edited by Johnny Zurita on Saturday 15th of April 2023 12:58:51 PM

SATCOM · Senior Member

Johnny Zurita wrote:
Can you guys please stop with the curve bullshit!! DCAS/DEPT should never curve any tests!!! It defeats the purpose of testing! How about try harder and study harder for the next one?? STOP with the curve bullshits! Be mindful that a lot of people who took this Lt exam were the ones that got made because of COVID extension or they never even passed with an 70 raw score on the last sgt exam.

This post feels like trolling but youre right. Curving a test to where a 60 will get you promoted is outright irresponsible. I understand throw outs and maybe a 2-3 point adjustment but this is simply reckless. Im not saying someone who had a bad Saturday wont make a good boss but I believe the ones who slip through can do some serious harm to the job. Why do that when you can announce another test in 2 years and establish a second list in 3.

-- Edited by SATCOM on Saturday 15th of April 2023 01:02:54 PM

Noice · Senior Member

Captains received their adjusted scores around November 1, approximately 2.5 months after they took the test. You needed a 61 raw score after throwouts to make the captains list.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Lol did you even take this test? A 60 on this test is a 85 on a straightforward exam. Its easy for people to talk when all they have been handed are easy exams. People who studied a full year on this exam either failed, barely passed or got between an 80-85. Unlike the 2017 exam where everyone was getting high80s to 90s. I for one passed the 17 sgt with a high score and personally know those who went from failing to passing with the curve. And to be honest you can call them covid sgt or lt, but majority are good bosses and I personally know a few who were great street cops. So this exam does not gear you to be a better boss in any way. With various versions of these exams being administered, a curve is the only way to ensure fairness!

-- Edited by 3testwonder on Saturday 15th of April 2023 01:14:54 PM

No1isbetter · Guru

Noice wrote:
Captains received their adjusted scores around November 1, approximately 2.5 months after they took the test. You needed a 61 raw score after throwouts to make the captains list.

to correct you, 59 passed CAPT exam. I know for a fact because I know 2 LTs who scored 59 & passed.

SATCOM · Senior Member

3testwonder wrote:
Lol did you even take this test? A 60 on this test is a 85 on a straightforward exam. Its easy for people to talk when all they have been handed are easy exams. People who studied a full year on this exam either failed, barely passed or got between an 80-85. Unlike the 2017 exam where everyone was getting high 90s. I for one passed the 17 sgt with a high score and personally know those who went from failing to passing with the curve. And to be honest you can call them covid sgt or lt, but majority are good bosses and I personally know a few who were great street cops. So this exam does not gear you to be a better boss in any way. With various versions of these exams being administered, it is the only way to ensure fairness!

Did you take the 2015 exam? This was cake compared to that one.

Tunit · Senior Member

SATCOM wrote:
Johnny Zurita wrote:
Can you guys please stop with the curve bullshit!! DCAS/DEPT should never curve any tests!!! It defeats the purpose of testing! How about try harder and study harder for the next one?? STOP with the curve bullshits! Be mindful that a lot of people who took this Lt exam were the ones that got made because of COVID extension or they never even passed with an 70 raw score on the last sgt exam.
This post feels like trolling but youre right. Curving a test to where a 60 will get you promoted is outright irresponsible. I understand throw outs and maybe a 2-3 point adjustment but this is simply reckless. Im not saying someone who had a bad Saturday wont make a good boss but I believe the ones who slip through can do some serious harm to the job. Why do that when you can announce another test in 2 years and establish a second list in 3.

-- Edited by SATCOM on Saturday 15th of April 2023 01:02:54 PM

I get the sentiment, but keep in mind the ridiculousness of the questions that were asked on the exam. I am confident that there was a huge amount of people that failed on test day that sufficiently studied and learned the role of the Lieutenant as it applies in real world applications.

SATCOM · Senior Member

Tunit wrote:
SATCOM wrote:
Johnny Zurita wrote:
Can you guys please stop with the curve bullshit!! DCAS/DEPT should never curve any tests!!! It defeats the purpose of testing! How about try harder and study harder for the next one?? STOP with the curve bullshits! Be mindful that a lot of people who took this Lt exam were the ones that got made because of COVID extension or they never even passed with an 70 raw score on the last sgt exam.
This post feels like trolling but youre right. Curving a test to where a 60 will get you promoted is outright irresponsible. I understand throw outs and maybe a 2-3 point adjustment but this is simply reckless. Im not saying someone who had a bad Saturday wont make a good boss but I believe the ones who slip through can do some serious harm to the job. Why do that when you can announce another test in 2 years and establish a second list in 3.

-- Edited by SATCOM on Saturday 15th of April 2023 01:02:54 PM
I get the sentiment, but keep in mind the ridiculousness of the questions that were asked on the exam. I am confident that there was a huge amount of people that failed on test day that sufficiently studied and learned the role of the Lieutenant as it applies in real world applications.

I dont disagree but I am confident they are in the mid 60s. Throw outs and a 2-3 point curve will get them on the list.

Beta86 · Veteran Member

Now that the protest is over anybody have any insight how TVB works and when do they start.

Johnny Zurita · Member

SATCOM wrote:
3testwonder wrote:
Lol did you even take this test? A 60 on this test is a 85 on a straightforward exam. Its easy for people to talk when all they have been handed are easy exams. People who studied a full year on this exam either failed, barely passed or got between an 80-85. Unlike the 2017 exam where everyone was getting high 90s. I for one passed the 17 sgt with a high score and personally know those who went from failing to passing with the curve. And to be honest you can call them covid sgt or lt, but majority are good bosses and I personally know a few who were great street cops. So this exam does not gear you to be a better boss in any way. With various versions of these exams being administered, it is the only way to ensure fairness!
Did you take the 2015 exam? This was cake compared to that one.

And 2015 exam had the inbasket portion. It does not matter about what procedures they went to, it's about how much time you put in and how dedicated you are. I'm not saying it was an easy test but people shouldn't be hoping for the curve bullshit to get promoted if you can't even score a passing score or in the high 60s to pick up some throwout questions. Just study harder for the next exam.

No1isbetter · Guru

Johnny Zurita wrote:
No1isbetter wrote:
STFU.
why you mad? were you one of the guys that did not even score an 70 raw score from the last sgt exam and now daydreaming for the curve bs again?

-- Edited by Johnny Zurita on Saturday 15th of April 2023 12:58:51 PM

Im a Sergeant regardless what I scored. I cant sit here & say Covid helped me or not because CARB delayed my promotion, if the list wasnt extended my CARB wouldve been done a lot quicker, being Dept extended the list, clearly the Dept wasnt in a rush. I was eligible for the Sept 2021 class so I dont fall in your troll category. You really are a miserable loser.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Scores mean nothing at the end of the day. I already forgot most the crap I studied.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

You gotta be lucky to pass, the department is smart they dont want unlucky executives.

TransitCop · Senior Member

Department should have kept in basket. It was a great exercise for actually figuring out day to day operations. Memorizing bunch of nonsense that will be irrelevant in few years is just a waste. Johnny needs to calm down over there with his 69 score. Im sure whatever command he gets transferred from cops throw a party.

Noice · Senior Member

No1isbetter wrote:
Noice wrote:
Captains received their adjusted scores around November 1, approximately 2.5 months after they took the test. You needed a 61 raw score after throwouts to make the captains list.
to correct you, 59 passed CAPT exam. I know for a fact because I know 2 LTs who scored 59 & passed.

This is incorrect, they might have scored 59 originally, but they must have received 2 throwouts at least. 61 final score made the list.

Edit: I attached the curve for reference.

-- Edited by Noice on Saturday 15th of April 2023 04:56:34 PM

3testwonder · Senior Member

Noice, will a 61 be the same case for this exam? Is that chart from dcas?

-- Edited by 3testwonder on Saturday 15th of April 2023 04:55:06 PM

Noice · Senior Member

No one knows the answer to that, probably depends on how many throwouts/double answers first, and how big the list is after the protest session.

Taketheday · Guru

Noice wrote:
No one knows the answer to that, probably depends on how many throwouts/double answers first, and how big the list is after the protest session.

As someone who passed I still hope for a curve and throwouts. For those that scored low like me it can only help to boost your score even if it creates a bigger list in the process. And to be honest it seems the trend has been larger lists and this latest SGT and Captains exam are both large lists so seems like the same will be for the LT list as well.. just my opinion if I do hear any concrete info I will post

Zenthan88 · Veteran Member

Not to be negative or anything but hopefully youre not in the bracket where you may potentially get leaped frog by someone who has time on that originally failed. Remember, there are people out there that has time in rank that scored low on this test so say they scored a 68-69 raw, after they get the throwout points pass with 70+ they also get longevity points added which can potentially be anywhere from .5 to I believe 6 or 7 points max. That happened to the 2017 exam so its proven. Hopefully those original passers with 70s dont get leap frog which can potentially extend their promotion wait or even possibly being cut on the list down the line. Nonetheless, I hope everyone gets promoted.

Artiemac · Veteran Member

extra points

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Exam will be curved

DeptIsaJoke · Member

Dumb dumb, they make these tests this way intentionally to curve the test to pass as many people as they want to. Wake up

Papi825 · Senior Member

Tunit wrote:
SATCOM wrote:
Johnny Zurita wrote:
Can you guys please stop with the curve bullshit!! DCAS/DEPT should never curve any tests!!! It defeats the purpose of testing! How about try harder and study harder for the next one?? STOP with the curve bullshits! Be mindful that a lot of people who took this Lt exam were the ones that got made because of COVID extension or they never even passed with an 70 raw score on the last sgt exam.
This post feels like trolling but youre right. Curving a test to where a 60 will get you promoted is outright irresponsible. I understand throw outs and maybe a 2-3 point adjustment but this is simply reckless. Im not saying someone who had a bad Saturday wont make a good boss but I believe the ones who slip through can do some serious harm to the job. Why do that when you can announce another test in 2 years and establish a second list in 3.

-- Edited by SATCOM on Saturday 15th of April 2023 01:02:54 PM
I get the sentiment, but keep in mind the ridiculousness of the questions that were asked on the exam. I am confident that there was a huge amount of people that failed on test day that sufficiently studied and learned the role of the Lieutenant as it applies in real world applications.

People said the same thing about the Sgt exam, and it wasnt all that crazy. Im sure this LT test was a lot harder, that being said, Im sure who ever studied enough and the right way passed the exam. A lot of people dont know how to study for these kinds of exams.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Lol shut up. You probably a ssa level 2

Papi825 · Senior Member

..

-- Edited by Papi825 on Sunday 16th of April 2023 12:39:58 AM

Papi825 · Senior Member

Lmaoo, your dumb for that

Xchris176 · Senior Member

You probably a PAA, useless peasant (3testwonder)

-- Edited by Xchris176 on Sunday 16th of April 2023 12:43:03 AM

VetteCop · Senior Member

let's be honest, and call a spade a spade... studying for a 100 question multiple choice exam pulled from a 3000+ page book, a giant admin guide, complaint guide, and LBB doesn't signify what kind of boss you will be...

Sure, when they curve the test (because they will, deal with it), people in the 60's, who knows maybe even 50's will get promoted. Some of them will be the best bosses you've ever worked with, others, the worst. The previous sentence can also apply to those who scored in the 80's and 90's or 100 raw score. All your score amounts to is when you get promoted. Not that you'll automatically be a better boss. It can be argued that covid sgt's and lt's had more time in the streets, investigating, supervising, doing police work, and gaining more real life experience then those promoted right off the bat because they scored high.

So passing what really amounts to a BS exam (for all ranks) is really just checking a box. Some cops will be good bosses, some will be shit. Some cops can't even be cops. If you had a gold braid in the academy you're right off the bat going to be an excellent cop? No, you passed some tests in a controlled setting with tons of prep, and you ran the mile and a half the fastest. Does this translate to walking a foot post in the 75? Absolutely not.

get a grip.

Johnny Zurita · Member

VetteCop wrote:
let's be honest, and call a spade a spade... studying for a 100 question multiple choice exam pulled from a 3000+ page book, a giant admin guide, complaint guide, and LBB doesn't signify what kind of boss you will be...

Sure, when they curve the test (because they will, deal with it), people in the 60's, who knows maybe even 50's will get promoted. Some of them will be the best bosses you've ever worked with, others, the worst. The previous sentence can also apply to those who scored in the 80's and 90's or 100 raw score. All your score amounts to is when you get promoted. Not that you'll automatically be a better boss. It can be argued that covid sgt's and lt's had more time in the streets, investigating, supervising, doing police work, and gaining more real life experience then those promoted right off the bat because they scored high.

So passing what really amounts to a BS exam (for all ranks) is really just checking a box. Some cops will be good bosses, some will be shit. Some cops can't even be cops. If you had a gold braid in the academy you're right off the bat going to be an excellent cop? No, you passed some tests in a controlled setting with tons of prep, and you ran the mile and a half the fastest. Does this translate to walking a foot post in the 75? Absolutely not.

get a grip.

Whats the point of setting the score of 70 for passing then? Its not about being a good boss or bad boss. It defeats the purpose of testing if they gonna curve the test for people who scored in the 50s and 60s to get promoted. If you cant even get an 70 raw score or 70 after throwout questions, you do not deserve to get promoted at all. How about try harder and put in more time on the next exam?

TransitCop · Senior Member

Johnny Zurita wrote:
VetteCop wrote:
let's be honest, and call a spade a spade... studying for a 100 question multiple choice exam pulled from a 3000+ page book, a giant admin guide, complaint guide, and LBB doesn't signify what kind of boss you will be...

Sure, when they curve the test (because they will, deal with it), people in the 60's, who knows maybe even 50's will get promoted. Some of them will be the best bosses you've ever worked with, others, the worst. The previous sentence can also apply to those who scored in the 80's and 90's or 100 raw score. All your score amounts to is when you get promoted. Not that you'll automatically be a better boss. It can be argued that covid sgt's and lt's had more time in the streets, investigating, supervising, doing police work, and gaining more real life experience then those promoted right off the bat because they scored high.

So passing what really amounts to a BS exam (for all ranks) is really just checking a box. Some cops will be good bosses, some will be shit. Some cops can't even be cops. If you had a gold braid in the academy you're right off the bat going to be an excellent cop? No, you passed some tests in a controlled setting with tons of prep, and you ran the mile and a half the fastest. Does this translate to walking a foot post in the 75? Absolutely not.

get a grip.
Whats the point of setting the score of 70 for passing then? Its not about being a good boss or bad boss. It defeats the purpose of testing if they gonna curve the test for people who scored in the 50s and 60s to get promoted. If you cant even get an 70 raw score or 70 after throwout questions, you do not deserve to get promoted at all. How about try harder and put in more time on the next exam?

Johnny chill you have too much negative energy to be a good boss

Futureauxiliary · Guru

This CURVE thing is really hitting Johnny hard.

Xchris176 · Senior Member

Futureauxiliary wrote:
This CURVE thing is really hitting Johnny hard.

I rise · Senior Member

Does the curve come after throwouts ?

Braveheart · Senior Member

Futureauxiliary wrote:
This CURVE thing is really hitting Johnny hard.

Johnny is mad because he read the patrol guide 8 hours a day 7 days a week for a year straight and got an 80. And people who crammed for 2 weeks got in the low 60s but may end up passing because of a curve. (Work smarter not harder)

No1isbetter · Guru

Johnny probably has his period. Its socially acceptable now.

ullage amount · Veteran Member

Curve will apply to Johnnys score as well. Not as much as for those who scored low 60s but hell get something.
Considering that this list will be bottom heavy, thats where those who studied smarter will end up, waiting 3+ years to get promoted.

Beta86 · Veteran Member

I Doubt a 2 week cram got you a 60 on this test.

Truthseeker · Guru

You will not be able to verify the info I am going to provide. I really can only tell u bc it was told to me when I inquired. But I promise you the info is from a civil service law attorney who specializes in promotion exams nationwide. Hes very familiar w ny law and the debacle of Dcas previous exams. He stated the 70 passing score for promotional exams is arbitrary. In essence he stated each exam needs to be examined based on difficulty, analyze every question based on total # to get it right while looking at sex race etc. if you notice there has been a law firm involved with test writing since 2016. Theres a reason for that. I know the 70 rule has been around since most of us have been on the job, doesnt mean Dcas was following law. I forgot the case the lawyer mentioned about but I BELIEVE it was a case involving the guardians where this affirmed many many years ago