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skelgel · Senior Member

List a few weeks away

countryroads · Senior Member

IF (and it's a big IF) the list is established early February, I'd expect the first class to be end of February / early March. Sgt vacancies are incredibly high at the moment (Captains vacancies are also high), so I see no reason why the job won't continue having monthly promos.

skelgel · Senior Member

IF thats the case those who scored really well will get lucky. I personally dont see anyone from this list making it on time to take that exam. But then again that means no sgt promotion from now to ending of march.

Noice · Senior Member

3 months without a class is nothing. There have been numerous times over the years of longer gaps in between classes.

countryroads · Senior Member

Noice wrote:
3 months without a class is nothing. There have been numerous times over the years of longer gaps in between classes.

I completely agree. The job could easily survive many more months without Sgt promos, and that may end up being the case. But I'm saying if the list DOES come out within a few weeks, I see no reason why the job wouldn't want to continue to roll right into another promo, especially considering the high vacancies.

-- Edited by countryroads on Thursday 19th of January 2023 12:50:47 AM

Noice · Senior Member

Yes for sure, if the list established soon, at least one class is very likely.

skelgel · Senior Member

Noice wrote:
3 months without a class is nothing. There have been numerous times over the years of longer gaps in between classes.

that is probably the path of least resistance. Promote after the exam is administered, but for our sake, established a list ASAP.

Hennigans404 · Veteran Member

countryroads wrote:
Noice wrote:
3 months without a class is nothing. There have been numerous times over the years of longer gaps in between classes.
I completely agree. The job could easily survive many more months without Sgt promos, and that may end up being the case. But I'm saying if the list DOES come out within a few weeks, I see no reason why the job wouldn't want to continue to roll right into another promo, especially considering the high vacancies.

-- Edited by countryroads on Thursday 19th of January 2023 12:50:47 AM

The job needs to start hiring more cops. This January recruit class was supposed to be much larger then what went in. I can see headcount delaying things but we shall see.

skelgel · Senior Member

Hennigans404 wrote:
countryroads wrote:
Noice wrote:
3 months without a class is nothing. There have been numerous times over the years of longer gaps in between classes.
I completely agree. The job could easily survive many more months without Sgt promos, and that may end up being the case. But I'm saying if the list DOES come out within a few weeks, I see no reason why the job wouldn't want to continue to roll right into another promo, especially considering the high vacancies.

-- Edited by countryroads on Thursday 19th of January 2023 12:50:47 AM
The job needs to start hiring more cops. This January recruit class was supposed to be much larger then what went in. I can see headcount delaying things but we shall see.

yeah but when you go on a hiring frenzy look at the caliber cop that you receive. Iab is going to have their hands full in the near future.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

skelgel wrote:
IF thats the case those who scored really well will get lucky. I personally dont see anyone from this list making it on time to take that exam. But then again that means no sgt promotion from now to ending of march.

I dont see anyone at this point taking that Lts exam. The captains list has been established, are they promoting from it starting this month ? If so, then it takes roughly a month for people to start to get promoted off an established list. The Lts exam is march 23 (?), so that would mean the sgts list has to be established by late February for people to take that exam. Unless of course it gets pushed back

skelgel · Senior Member

I dont see it happening either. The only reason I thought there was a chance was because you are going about two months without a sgt class. But our peers remember a time where theres been no promotions for that same time frame, meaning it isnt out of the ordinary. So now I def believe we wont make it to take that test. But like I said before that doesnt stop you from establishing that list even though no one gets promoted off of it til later.

Lt Carra · Veteran Member

skelgel wrote:
I dont see it happening either. The only reason I thought there was a chance was because you are going about two months without a sgt class. But our peers remember a time where theres been no promotions for that same time frame, meaning it isnt out of the ordinary. So now I def believe we wont make it to take that test. But like I said before that doesnt stop you from establishing that list even though no one gets promoted off of it til later.

During the previous situation that the job went without promotions for 3 months a vacancy of over 500 sgts as well ?

skelgel · Senior Member

Lt Carra wrote:
skelgel wrote:
I dont see it happening either. The only reason I thought there was a chance was because you are going about two months without a sgt class. But our peers remember a time where theres been no promotions for that same time frame, meaning it isnt out of the ordinary. So now I def believe we wont make it to take that test. But like I said before that doesnt stop you from establishing that list even though no one gets promoted off of it til later.
During the previous situation that the job went without promotions for 3 months a vacancy of over 500 sgts as well ?

no clue bro it was a shock to me. Then again I never really payed attention to promotions til now. But @Noice & countryroads were the ones who shed some light on that.

-- Edited by skelgel on Thursday 19th of January 2023 04:00:43 PM

countryroads · Senior Member

Lt Carra wrote:
skelgel wrote:
I dont see it happening either. The only reason I thought there was a chance was because you are going about two months without a sgt class. But our peers remember a time where theres been no promotions for that same time frame, meaning it isnt out of the ordinary. So now I def believe we wont make it to take that test. But like I said before that doesnt stop you from establishing that list even though no one gets promoted off of it til later.
During the previous situation that the job went without promotions for 3 months a vacancy of over 500 sgts as well ?

Exactly. That's the major difference between the circumstances of now vs then. About 10 times the vacancies.

PD2FD · Guru

To the above posts, YES, the job has gone months without promotion for 3-4 months when vacancies were high.

Remember, the job wants more cops on the streets. They aren't hiring them, so they're getting them by eliminating certain admin positions per command and by not promoting cops to Sergeants.

Stay hopeful that they put this list out soon and start promoting right away, but I wouldn't bet on that right now.

Lt Carra · Veteran Member

PD2FD wrote:
To the above posts, YES, the job has gone months without promotion for 3-4 months when vacancies were high.

Remember, the job wants more cops on the streets. They aren't hiring them, so they're getting them by eliminating certain admin positions per command and by not promoting cops to Sergeants.

Stay hopeful that they put this list out soon and start promoting right away, but I wouldn't bet on that right now.

This is a delusional post !If youre refereeing during the pandemic then your post is irrelevant, and due to the pandemic the 2017 list was extended a year. All of our inquiries will be answered within the next month!

-- Edited by Lt Carra on Thursday 19th of January 2023 05:52:44 PM

PD2FD · Guru

Lt Carra wrote:

PD2FD wrote:

To the above posts, YES, the job has gone months without promotion for 3-4 months when vacancies were high.

Remember, the job wants more cops on the streets. They aren't hiring them, so they're getting them by eliminating certain admin positions per command and by not promoting cops to Sergeants.

Stay hopeful that they put this list out soon and start promoting right away, but I wouldn't bet on that right now.

This is a delusional post !If youre refereeing during the pandemic then your post is irrelevant, and due to the pandemic the 2017 list was extended a year. All of our inquiries will be answered within the next month!

-- Edited by Lt Carra on Thursday 19th of January 2023 05:52:44 PM

You do know that in 2009, 2011, and 2013 the Sgts list weren't that long right?

-The 2009 list was short by today's standards

- The 2011 list was around 1600 (which was a lot for those times)

- The 2013 list had around 980

So yes, they were extremely short Sgts around the early 2010's and couldn't put classes in for months because they had to wait for the list to be established. This is unfortunately part of the process with DCAS.

Remember, DCAS runs the show and they don't care about our vacancies or how many tour changes a Sergeant is doing because the precinct is short supervisor's.

If the list comes out end of January or February this will be the quickest DCAS has ever established a Sergeants list. Considering they were quick with our Captains list, it may happen for the Sergeants.

-- Edited by PD2FD on Thursday 19th of January 2023 08:01:32 PM

brooklynbacon · Guru

Noice wrote:
3 months without a class is nothing. There have been numerous times over the years of longer gaps in between classes.

During the market crash of 2008 i believe the sgt list went 9 months without a class.

Lt Carra · Veteran Member

PD2FD wrote:
Lt Carra wrote:
PD2FD wrote:
To the above posts, YES, the job has gone months without promotion for 3-4 months when vacancies were high.
Remember, the job wants more cops on the streets. They aren't hiring them, so they're getting them by eliminating certain admin positions per command and by not promoting cops to Sergeants.
Stay hopeful that they put this list out soon and start promoting right away, but I wouldn't bet on that right now.
This is a delusional post !If youre refereeing during the pandemic then your post is irrelevant, and due to the pandemic the 2017 list was extended a year. All of our inquiries will be answered within the next month!
-- Edited by Lt Carra on Thursday 19th of January 2023 05:52:44 PM
You do know that in 2009, 2011, and 2013 the Sgts list weren't that long right?
-The 2009 list was short by today's standards
- The 2011 list was around 1600 (which was a lot for those times)
- The 2013 list had around 980
So yes, they were extremely short Sgts around the early 2010's and couldn't put classes in for months because they had to wait for the list to be established. This is unfortunately part of the process with DCAS.
Remember, DCAS runs the show and they don't care about our vacancies or how many tour changes a Sergeant is doing because the precinct is short supervisor's.
If the list comes out end of January or February this will be the quickest DCAS has ever established a Sergeants list. Considering they were quick with our Captains list, it may happen for the Sergeants.

The city got smart and instead of giving a Test every 2 years they gave starting the curving to add more passers and instead give the test every 4 years. you know how much money is to administer these exams from locations grading computer lawyers and paying the cops and to have the day off because cops donget the date for a promotional exam and dont come out of the cops bank.
In 2010 there was no Sgt shortage. Also not everyone wanted to be a supervisor and not being part of the 20 and out and not being able to ithp, 50-50, and overtime being pensionable forced those to move up. Dcas dont run the the city, Dcas will do what the city tells them. computerized exams Cant expect them to be the same as those that were not.
Your logic dont is irrelevant. As different times, different ways of exams being administered and different vacancies. Never have we seen special ops sergeant being used for patrol 3/5 days and also flip flopping their tours. Or a lt answering jobs because he has no Sgt on patrol and short of sectors As well. 500 Sgt vacancies thats about 10 % of all Sgt vacancies. Lets say 50 lts do go in late this months. Another 10 get the money and another 20 retire and also a class got sworn in two days ago of almost 600. Literally can cause almost 600 vacancies. Again next month will answer all our questions.

-- Edited by PD2FD on Thursday 19th of January 2023 08:01:32 PM

-- Edited by Lt Carra on Friday 20th of January 2023 01:28:08 AM

skelgel · Senior Member

lets see wat feb has for us.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Overtime is still pensionable. Why does everyone keep saying its not?

Pelcha · Senior Member

Bmoc is done today for the class of December

RamJamFlamSong · Senior Member

It's a boomer myth the tier 2 people like to say.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

No one will make the Lts exam

RamJamFlamSong · Senior Member

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skelgel · Senior Member

HopeBoss wrote:
No one will make the Lts exam

I agree.

countryroads · Senior Member

HopeBoss wrote:
No one will make the Lts exam

That's the likely case, but not entirely out of the question

HopeBoss · Senior Member

countryroads wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
No one will make the Lts exam
That's the likely case, but not entirely out of the question

I see it only happening if they push it back. The list needs to come out by late February

skelgel · Senior Member

realistically how many of u guys havent stopped studying? unless they post pone it til like summer time I doubt anyone from this exam will pass that exam.

CappedOut · Senior Member

If you're first class or two you're crazy to not be studying. Maybe you waste a few months studying, but its better than wasting 4 years waiting for the next exam.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

CappedOut wrote:
If you're first class or two you're crazy to not be studying. Maybe you waste a few months studying, but its better than wasting 4 years waiting for the next exam.

True but I just dont see it happening IMHO. And its not worth giving up time with family and friends after studying for the sgts test for 8-9 months

skelgel · Senior Member

only 3 sgts got promoted this go around

Pelcha · Senior Member

Probably holdovers but list is officially expired as of tomm

tacticaltest29 · Member

Where do you go to find that? Just want to confirm the anniversary of the 2017 sgt list

skelgel · Senior Member

tacticaltest29 wrote:
Where do you go to find that? Just want to confirm the anniversary of the 2017 sgt list

According to DCAS's online service exam dataset, the exam will expire on January 24, 2023. You can click on the link below to go to the DCAS data set, hit view dataset, search 6540, and then look at the extension date of 1/24/23.

https://data.cityofnewyork.us/City-Government/Civil-Service-List-Active-/vx8i-nprf#

Pelcha · Senior Member

Im hearing first week of feb for the list of 22 Sgt exam

skelgel · Senior Member

from where my brother

Pelcha · Senior Member

We are all eager to know when that list dropping but the worst question is asking from where most of us here share what we hear I dont think it really matters where the Intel comes from, obviously who ever has shared some info has been wrong so far about the list. no disrespect!!!!!Next week we shall see if not continue to keep those fingers crossed. No

-- Edited by Pelcha on Tuesday 24th of January 2023 04:53:06 AM

skelgel · Senior Member

the reason I ask, and I am sure you would agree, is because there is a big difference if you heard it from the guy who changes next to you on the day tour patrol as opposed to lets say your buddy who drives the chief of personnel for example.

Pelcha · Senior Member

I would never post something that I heard from most of these clowns at work. i dont see this list being published no later than march.

skelgel · Senior Member

I hope your are right lol

-- Edited by skelgel on Tuesday 24th of January 2023 05:13:15 AM

tacticaltest29 · Member

Thanks brody . this list need to drop

tacticaltest29 · Member

According to this the extension date is 1/24/24 Strange

HopeBoss · Senior Member

List has to be established by the end of February in order for the first class to take the Lts exam. As of now theres no word on it being pushed back and its exactly two months away

skelgel · Senior Member

tacticaltest29 wrote:
According to this the extension date is 1/24/24 Strange

no prob, yeah thats weird. it said 2023 before

skelgel · Senior Member

HopeBoss wrote:
List has to be established by the end of February in order for the first class to take the Lts exam. As of now theres no word on it being pushed back and its exactly two months away

hope so. It will give us peace of mind knowing where we stand. Idk why bro but I can see them establishing that list in feb like you guys are saying but I dont see them promoting off of it until after the test. If u are in that first class and you studied hard, I hope you do make it to take that exam, you deserve it.

Lt Carra · Veteran Member

tacticaltest29 wrote:
According to this the extension date is 1/24/24 Strange

This is a CURVEBALL ! Extended another year. It can only affect the chance of possible taking the lt exam in March.

Pelcha · Senior Member

Whats extended for another year?

dc88rs · Veteran Member

I saw that too. 1/24/2024 but Thats gotta be some sort of glitch or mistake. Why would they extend it a year they promoted everyone on it and a new one is weeks away. Doesnt make any sense.

497CRUSADERS · Veteran Member

3 people are getting promoted on Friday , 3 days after the list expires. Im assuming it was extended to legally allow these last 3 holdovers the chance to be promoted.