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3rdtimetheCharm · Senior Member

SBA contract

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

That's true. It allegedly passed. This leads me to believe it would be a miracle for them to put a class in before that date.

gmen18 · Senior Member

question, the one floating around is settled till 2022, so wouldnt it essentially be 2018-2.25. 2019-2.5 2020-3.0 and 2021-0.

No1isbetter · Guru

Its settled to 12/9/21. This explains why there havent been promotions.

rookiebit_h · Guru

detectives are in deeeep ****

63ASAP · Guru

It looks like detectives will be able to enter at a maximum of step 3 (based on a comparison of steps). Yes, 5 years to top pay isn't ideal, but at least the base went up significantly. So it isn't a complete sellout of the unborn. Overall, I think this is a good contract with a good retro. Those who have been at top pay since the contract expired are in for a nice chunk of change. Does suck if you're a detective though. While the initial raise won't be too big, at least it's a shorter time to top pay.

3rdtimetheCharm · Senior Member

gmen18 wrote:
question, the one floating around is settled till 2022, so wouldnt it essentially be 2018-2.25. 2019-2.5 2020-3.0 and 2021-0.

Contract runs through 12/9/21. So yes a zero from 8/30/21 till 12/9/21

3rdtimetheCharm · Senior Member

63ASAP wrote:
It looks like detectives will be able to enter at a maximum of step 3 (based on a comparison of steps). Yes, 5 years to top pay isn't ideal, but at least the base went up significantly. So it isn't a complete sellout of the unborn. Overall, I think this is a good contract with a good retro. Those who have been at top pay since the contract expired are in for a nice chunk of change. Does suck if you're a detective though. While the initial raise won't be too big, at least it's a shorter time to top pay.

If at top pay for those years its 25K not including OT or night diff in retro for reg SGTs. 29K for SSA/SDS

gmen18 · Senior Member

why settle before the pba is done with perb?

MBREEZE · Senior Member

What isnt clear is if a detective who gets promoted at step 3 has to wait 5 years in rank to hit top pay or just one year. But yes this also explains why there were no promotions. Probably will not be a promotion until February.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

No1isbetter wrote:
Its settled to 12/9/21. This explains why there havent been promotions.

Im sorry but don't get how this affected promos ? Can you please explain.

3rdtimetheCharm · Senior Member

Futureauxiliary wrote:
No1isbetter wrote:
Its settled to 12/9/21. This explains why there havent been promotions.
Im sorry but don't get how this affected promos ? Can you please explain.

By holding off promotions to SGT until after 1/29/22 the city saves on money. Bc the néw promotes will be under the 5 year pay scale instead of 4.

Semp1 · Guru

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-- Edited by Semp1 on Friday 17th of December 2021 10:32:54 PM

Futureauxiliary · Guru

3rdtimetheCharm wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
No1isbetter wrote:
Its settled to 12/9/21. This explains why there havent been promotions.
Im sorry but don't get how this affected promos ? Can you please explain.
By holding off promotions to SGT until after 1/29/22 the city saves on money. Bc the néw promotes will be under the 5 year pay scale instead of 4.

Thank you

Transit4Eva · Member

With this contract taking affect after January 29th it definitely screws a lot of people especially Detectives. But I do wonder, what if DEA settles a contract to where it competes to the level of this Sgt contract?

3testwonder · Senior Member

Can someone post the entire sgts contract. Is there an additional 2.25 for bwc?

Transit4Eva · Member

Here.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Thanks

Semp1 · Guru

3testwonder wrote:
Can someone post the entire sgts contract. Is there an additional 2.25 for bwc?

Yes. The sheet that was displayed does not include the bwc 2.25%.

Rubirosa · Veteran Member

The 2.25% was given in a different way. 1.25% for 10 year longevity and 1% for 5 years in rank. Remember the Lts got the 2.25 for 5 years rank.

-- Edited by Rubirosa on Sunday 19th of December 2021 06:41:07 AM

-- Edited by Rubirosa on Sunday 19th of December 2021 03:55:42 PM

Ucon4real · Veteran Member

Ok. Just to make this clear. A Starting Sgts salary from this day moving forward, will be 96k from 88k? If so, thats a 8G bump. Thats not bad if thats the case.

UrinalFly · Senior Member

Ucon4real wrote:
Ok. Just to make this clear. A Starting Sgts salary from this day moving forward, will be 96k from 88k? If so, thats a 8G bump. Thats not bad if thats the case.

Don't forget the PBA will finish up PERB next month, so their top pay is about to go up.

The_Judge · Member

Does anyone think top pay for cops will be 96k+? And if so, would that change where we would be on the Sgt pay scale?

TransitCop · Senior Member

SBA needs to wait for PBA to settle first otherwise they are just tripping over dollar bills to pick up 25 cents.

No1isbetter · Guru

So can someone tell me how much is an entry level Sgt with 10+ years on the job making after longevity, holiday pay, & uniform?

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Is it safe to assume no January class because of this contract ?

UndertakersFinest_ · Veteran Member

Futureauxiliary wrote:
Is it safe to assume no January class because of this contract ?

Its not safe to assume anything at this point. The contract is as of 01/29, which is a Saturday. 01/31 is a Monday. Maybe theyll put a class in then.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

UndertakersFinest_ wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
Is it safe to assume no January class because of this contract ?
Its not safe to assume anything at this point. The contract is as of 01/29, which is a Saturday. 01/31 is a Monday. Maybe theyll put a class in then.

Another option is putting class in early January for a 1/31 promotion ceremony if they are so concerned about saving money.

MBREEZE · Senior Member

That wouldnt work. Sgts are promoted up front now. Unless they go back to Sgts being promoted at the ceremony.

Truthseeker · Guru

Lol breeze sgts are promoted when they walk across that stage and take the oath. It may just happen to be prior to a bmoc occurring. Nothing saids a bmoc cant occur first, happened numerous times prior

MBREEZE · Senior Member

Yea Im with you Truth. Im just talking in regards to the very recent past. Within the last year or so Sgts have been getting promoted up front

PD2FD · Guru

MBREEZE wrote:
Yea Im with you Truth. Im just talking in regards to the very recent past. Within the last year or so Sgts have been getting promoted up front

The promotion process was changed after Covid. They could always revert back to having BMOC before promotion, it was done like this for as long as I could remember.

Semp1 · Guru

Truthseeker wrote:
Lol breeze sgts are promoted when they walk across that stage and take the oath. It may just happen to be prior to a bmoc occurring. Nothing saids a bmoc cant occur first, happened numerous times prior

Just so you know that was a giveback with prior contract negotiation. So the city has the right to revert back due to that alone. Sgts like others would get promoted up front. It was changed to save money. So they could and most likely will eventually go back to promotion at the end of bmoc for the rank of Sgt.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Tuesday 21st of December 2021 02:47:47 PM

ScamLikely · Member

SBA contract question .
I'm currently Det2 . Where does that put me when get promoted as far as new contract is concerned. Go to top Pay Sgt or fall somwhere where in a tier? . I cant get any answers to this from DEA or SBA or if promotion is worth it

-- Edited by ScamLikely on Tuesday 21st of December 2021 05:07:53 PM

TransitCop · Senior Member

If you got less then 5 years to go stay DT2. Sgt rank isnt all that its cracked up to be.

No1isbetter · Guru

Keep your DT2. Atleast if youre guaranteed OT where you are, regardless if your at top pay or not, youll make more money & im sure wherever you are, your the boss of yourself & dont have to worry about telling a squad half full of morons what to do. But hey, if you have a hook back to DB to make SA pay than by all means.

UrinalFly · Senior Member

TransitCop wrote:
If you got less then 5 years to go stay DT2. Sgt rank isnt all that its cracked up to be.

The only reason to take this rank is to be a LT. That's it.

Semp1 · Guru

ScamLikely wrote:
SBA contract question .
I'm currently Det2 . Where does that put me when get promoted as far as new contract is concerned. Go to top Pay Sgt or fall somwhere where in a tier? . I cant get any answers to this from DEA or SBA or if promotion is worth it

-- Edited by ScamLikely on Tuesday 21st of December 2021 05:07:53 PM

You go to whatever the next step is from the current step your at. In regards to salary.

ScamLikely · Member

Thank you.....

Will I have to do the time to get to top Pay? I will be at a tier but not the time in rank.

Thank again!

MBREEZE · Senior Member

Looks like DEA is about to settle. Detectives will be going to top pay upon promotion to Sgt after all.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

MBREEZE wrote:
Looks like DEA is about to settle. Detectives will be going to top pay upon promotion to Sgt after all.

All that saving money and delaying classes for nothing lol.

VetteCop · Senior Member

Doesnt look like it. Keep in mind the top pay det number they keep throwing out there is with the 2.25% body cam incentive. Top pay detective makes just under the new tier 4 sgt. So it appears all detectives will go to tier 4 of 5. Just the way I'm looking at the numbers. Someone correct me if Im wrong.

MBREEZE · Senior Member

No I just looked again and I think you are correct to an extent. A top pay detective will make 107k which is more then the step 4 Sgt which is 105k. So if you are not a top pay detective you will need to go to Step 4 upon promotion to Sgt. The bigger question would then be, do you only sit there for 1 year and then go to top pay or do you sit there for 4 years before getting top pay.

No1isbetter · Guru

SBA getting paid. DEA getting paid. PBA gets ****ted on for a BS 2 year arbitration & another 2 years to wait for the next.

redcons2 · Senior Member

No longer straight to top pay also stuck at that step for x amount of years until you can reach the next step in years

VetteCop · Senior Member

my point is, if they don't include the 2.25% body cam incentive for DET then even the top pay detectives won't go to tier 5 (top pay) SGT. And now according to redcons (where is your attachment from?), you have to wait 5 years regardless to become a top pay SGT.

WOOF

Happy Al · Senior Member

After 4 years in rank, being in first class, I sure am glad I used my time to study and not used it to discuss nonsense on this forum for for 4 years after the previous test was given. This is such a microcosm of job as a whole and the the attitude in particular. This truly is laughable. Good luck to all.

-- Edited by Happy Al on Friday 31st of December 2021 05:17:27 AM

-- Edited by Happy Al on Friday 31st of December 2021 05:18:16 AM

ChuckTaylor · Senior Member

Happy Al wrote:
After 4 years in rank, being in first class, I sure am glad I used my time to study and not used it to discuss nonsense on this forum for for 4 years after the previous test was given. This is such a microcosm of job as a whole and the the attitude in particular. This truly is laughable. Good luck to all.

-- Edited by Happy Al on Friday 31st of December 2021 05:17:27 AM

-- Edited by Happy Al on Friday 31st of December 2021 05:18:16 AM

Why would we be studying for a test we already took you pompous ass

-- Edited by ChuckTaylor on Friday 31st of December 2021 06:08:15 PM

MBREEZE · Senior Member

VetteCop wrote:
my point is, if they don't include the 2.25% body cam incentive for DET then even the top pay detectives won't go to tier 5 (top pay) SGT. And now according to redcons (where is your attachment from?), you have to wait 5 years regardless to become a top pay SGT.

WOOF

I dont understand what you are talking about. Have you seen the new pay scale for Detectives? Top is above 107k. Step 4 for Sgt is 105k and then rises to 118k in the 5th year. A top pay Detective will be making 107k. If promoted he/she has to go above 107k which would be top pay.

redcons2 · Senior Member

MBREEZE wrote:
VetteCop wrote:
my point is, if they don't include the 2.25% body cam incentive for DET then even the top pay detectives won't go to tier 5 (top pay) SGT. And now according to redcons (where is your attachment from?), you have to wait 5 years regardless to become a top pay SGT.

WOOF
I dont understand what you are talking about. Have you seen the new pay scale for Detectives? Top is above 107k. Step 4 for Sgt is 105k and then rises to 118k in the 5th year. A top pay Detective will be making 107k. If promoted he/she has to go above 107k which would be top pay.

what you make after adding on uniform, holiday, longevity, etc doesn't count - sgt is going to 97.8k to 118k from year 3 to 4 in the new salary chart