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Failboat · Senior Member

Contract

TenNinetyUnion · Veteran Member

Details ?

PD2FD · Guru

Yayyy !!! Top base will be about $135,500 by 2021, no givebacks and no zeros up front.

Zeph · Senior Member

It appears that we'll be getting 2.25, 2.5, 3 for the three years and an additional 2.25 for nco. Thats essentially %10.5 raises for 3 years. Am I correct on this?

Jibberjab · Senior Member

I'm still waiting to hear the catch

TransitJoe · Senior Member

In the email I think Lou turco was implying we wont get the 2.25 neighborhood differential. He said the Pba paid for it themselves through givebacks. They gave up the unborns annuity for 5 years and reduced their first 5 pay steps. I dont think our union has anything to give in order to pay for it.

PD2FD · Guru

They need to clear this contract up. The article mentions something about an additional 1% for uniformed members. Who is this 1% applicable to ?

Jibberjab · Senior Member

PD2FD wrote:
They need to clear this contract up. The article mentions something about an additional 1% for uniformed members. Who is this 1% applicable to ?

I think the 1% extra was in reference to corrections. Pretty sure we all get the extra 1 but not civilians in corrections, if I read it correctly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-city-hall-contract-deal-uniformed-union-coalition-20191218-xcqjmotnlnfxtgfosvbqivyicq-story.html%3foutputType=amp

-- Edited by Jibberjab on Thursday 19th of December 2019 06:08:28 PM

Jams amici · Member

Hey, anybody hear anything new about this contract??

monkeybones · Senior Member

I hope LT's don't accept what Captains are getting shafted with on the additional %2.25....

Giving up:
7 months of zeros & 1x vacation day every year

for:

0.75% differential at 5 years in rank
1.50% differential at 25 years on the job (wtf?)

So you have to do 26 years in order to maximize your number... garbage.

3rdtimetheCharm · Senior Member

monkeybones wrote:
I hope LT's don't accept what Captains are getting shafted with on the additional %2.25....

Giving up:
7 months of zeros & 1x vacation day every year

for:

0.75% differential at 5 years in rank
1.50% differential at 25 years on the job (wtf?)

So you have to do 26 years in order to maximize your number... garbage.

If youre lucky enough to make it to the rank of captain then Id think youre doing a minimum of 5 years in rank just for the pension. I would think most are doing 10 or 15 years in rank.

monkeybones · Senior Member

thechiefleader.com/news/news_of_the_week/lieutenants-match-pba-extra-raise-with-g-differential/article_152d198c-3894-11ea-8d10-37eebf1300bf.html

We did better than the Captains. Full 2.25% at 5 years in rank.

narco26 · Senior Member

So the contract expires in 2022 so its a 5 year contract?

monkeybones · Senior Member

Unit Deal Extends Pact To 39 Mos., 15 Days

LBA to extend its contract by three months and 15 days

-- Edited by monkeybones on Saturday 18th of January 2020 12:30:08 AM

Zeph · Senior Member

All you guys should vote NO!

2andDone · Veteran Member

I imagine, Lou Turco by stating, they secured the raise without delaying pay scale steps, in which the PBA utilized
He had his head up his ass when he agreed to **** on the chart days for 7 years.

What a terrible choice to give this 2.25% once a member has 5 years in rank. Absolutely disgusted by what that does to all future Lieutenants.

narco26 · Senior Member

I agree

Flatbread King · Veteran Member

I'm guessing that most of the younger Lt's on the job will be voting Turco out at the first opportunity. I certainly will.

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

Why vote him out? Top pay Lt will be 136k LCD/LSA 149k by the end of this year. By 2021 the full differential kicks in with an additional 3k. Five years in rank to collect, but this is just an incentive to stay a LT and not become a " rising star.". The union didn't need to give up anything to get this differential, except 45 days extended to this contract. That just means when the next contract is settled the raise would kick in on February 2021 not November 2020.
This deal is not great but it secures over a 10k raise this year plus 3k if 5 years in rank. The days of 4-5 % raises are over. Perb is out of the question for our union because it's too expensive. With all the add ons I will be making $200k a year. Not bad for a C student in school there whole life, with no real marketable experience. I just needed to pass 2 civil service promotional exams. I'm voting YES!

BxBound · Member

Respect!

Zeph · Senior Member

You guys are acting as if the City is doing us a favor by agreeing on a mere 2.5pct raise a year. Everything is getting more expensive food, medicine, cars, utilities, and everything else. These prices dont go up by just 2.5pct but 3pct or more. Deblasio and the councilmen know it. Thats why they usually give themselves raises way above what we get. Most decent private sector companies give automatic yearly 2pct raises to their employees. They dont ask them to give up anything. There should be an understanding by the City that inflation is real. We should have Union leaders who value us. There is nothing wrong with the contract but dont think were lucky because we didnt give up anything. Were not even keeping up with inflation. Im upset and voting NO for him because of the body warn cam pay. It doesnt make sense. Were wearing this stupid cameras now, not in five years. Either we get compensated for doing so now or call the pay something else. They should call it Veteran Lts with over 5 years pay

-- Edited by Zeph on Saturday 18th of January 2020 04:56:34 PM

narco26 · Senior Member

I agree 100 percent

narco26 · Senior Member

Everyone is voting no!!!

TransitCop · Senior Member

Do us a favor and retire for one of those private sector jobs you speak of so some new blood can have your opportunity

-- Edited by TransitCop on Saturday 18th of January 2020 05:52:21 PM

narco26 · Senior Member

Trust me I will, nasssau and Suffolk back their cops up even with contracts. 39 months and I have to wait 5 years for 2.25 percent your a clown. Your a typical company man, wait until the job burns you.

TransitCop · Senior Member

narco26 wrote:
Trust me I will, nasssau and Suffolk back their cops up even with contracts. 39 months and I have to wait 5 years for 2.25 percent your a clown. Your a typical company man, wait until the job burns you.

You the guy thats on both lists at the same a real wonder kid arent you? I want to see you making upper six figures with you basic education in the private sector with no real retirement benefits. Consider yourself lucky kid because you wouldnt do well working for google otherwise you wouldnt be trolling here.

Shotsfired · Guru

TransitCop wrote:
narco26 wrote:
Trust me I will, nasssau and Suffolk back their cops up even with contracts. 39 months and I have to wait 5 years for 2.25 percent your a clown. Your a typical company man, wait until the job burns you.
You the guy thats on both lists at the same a real wonder kid arent you? I want to see you making upper six figures with you basic education in the private sector with no real retirement benefits. Consider yourself lucky kid because you wouldnt do well working for google otherwise you wouldnt be trolling here.

Yea, narco is a loser. Hes a Grown man that trolls on the internet. what a nerd.

-- Edited by Shotsfired on Saturday 18th of January 2020 10:21:16 PM

Zeph · Senior Member

You guys do not look out for each other. The good logic should be if we get this BWC raise, every Lt should. But no, you guys are looking for yourself, including Lou Turco. Essentially youre saying Im a veteran Lt, **** those other guys.

narco26 · Senior Member

I agree

narco26 · Senior Member

Shots fired again,keep studying you arent getting made,your over 750 winner!!! I plenty to do I just like picking on guys like you that are over 750

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

I don't think you guys get it. The city isn't going to give an extra 2.25 differential for free. So the union needs to negotiate to find a way to get it for there members . The PBA got the differential by funding it by a reduction in the salary schedule for newly hired employees ( selling out the unborn). The LBA is funding it by giving it to members with 5 years in rank. I'm sure the city wanted more and the union wanted to give up less to get it. So they met in the middle and came up with the 5 year in rank stipulation. That is called negotiating. We as membership have a right to vote no and make the union go back to the negotiating table. Good luck with that. It's the equivalent of not excepting the penalty of a CD and having the boro decide. You will always get fked!

Shotsfired · Guru

narco26 wrote:
Shots fired again,keep studying you arent getting made,your over 750 winner!!! I plenty to do I just like picking on guys like you that are over 750

Hahahahaha. Aww poor nerd couldnt be more off. :)

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

narco 26

-- Edited by Bklynsouth3020 on Sunday 19th of January 2020 12:34:16 AM

RoboCop1987 · Veteran Member

Lou Turco could care less about the results of this latest contract, he is on his way out anyway. This contract is basically a continuation of the downfall of the economic rights on this job since 2005. The $25,000 a year salary for new hires during 2005. In 2009, tier III started which basically emasculated the entire pension system for new NYPD uniformed employees. By 2010 rookies started calling OMAP to find out when the next LT exam was being held because they knew that was the only way to economically survive on this job. THE POSITION OF NYPD SERGEANT IS ONE OF THE WORST JOBS IN THE COUNTRY! The Desk and Patrol Sergeants run the department but get treated like farm animals by superiors looking to abuse underlings. THE SBA Union President Ed Mullins is self destructing with his insane media appearances which will no doubt have a negative impact on the next contract for his unfortunate union members.

-- Edited by RoboCop1987 on Sunday 19th of January 2020 01:08:21 PM

Flatbread King · Veteran Member

Mullins was the absolute best union leader in the city for many years. He does appear to be going off the rails lately. He has earned negative publicity for himself (and by extension his members) multiple times now.

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

Ill try to keep this brief, and give you guys some insight into lba and labor negations. Ive been a lieutenant for almost 8 years.
1. Lou Turco is a great guy and he knows what hes doing. There is stuff he does behind the scenes to help his members that go above and beyond.
2. Losing the chart days was the only possible thing the lba could give back to get those raises (2006ish?) Lou said hes been getting his balls busted about the chart days for over a decade.
3. negotiating with the city is crazy. They offer 1%. You want more? Give up a vacation day, make the stretch to top pay longer. Thats the only way the city will give you more $. Its just that simple. They have a money valuation on every benefit we have.
4. Same goes with the body cam $, the Union is essentially paying for the raise by requiring 5 years in rank. Thats just the way it is with city and you shouldnt take it personal.

Zeph · Senior Member

I believe all of you who come here and forcefully defend Lou are his minions who try to help him save face. There is no logic whatsoever to say that we are getting a raise for BWC, but only the 5 years veteran will get it. What makes him think the newly promoted Lts are not worthy of the raise. We all carry the same burden and responsibilities by wearing one. Like I said people only care about themselves, like the 8 year veteran above. Hes getting the raise, so he doesnt care about the other guys. We can make a statement and come together in this.

narco26 · Senior Member

Theres a lot of new Lts I have a strong feeling that he will be voted out soon, everyone here should start spreading the word. I certainly started.

brooklynbacon · Guru

No one ever gets voted out and every contract always gets approved. Half the people see a 1% raise and go oh more money and vote yes. The other half doesnt even take the time to fill the thing out.

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

Zeph- i understand what youre saying. I was really angry about the stretch to top pay when I got promoted to Sgt. 4 years and with no raises until top pay. most rookie sgts at that time were really upset about that. But the sba did what they had to do to get the raises that was in the interest of Their current members.

like I said before, the city would only give us the bodycam $ unless the lba funded it. Thats it. That was the only way we could get that $. im not trying to convince you of anything other than how the contract negations work.

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

Body cams have revolutionized policing. It has saved us more than it has hurt us. It is also a helpful tool in criminal investigations. We have flipped the script to the public recording us and now we record them. You best believe the public hates it as well as all the ambulance chaser lawyers. STOP acting like body cams are a burden. To get extra pay for wearing them is only a plus. Once again the city is not going to give us that for free. We are really not giving or funding it in any way. We just start collecting at the 5 year mark. BTW the % increases are a lot better than the PBA got the last go around with 1%. MOS feel that they deserve a corporate CEO salary because they put there life on the line. The reality is we are civil servant making between 150k-200k a year for a job that is not that hard. If you think it's hard, you are doing something wrong.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

the reality is that if you dont go out kicking and screaming on every little detail, if you tell yourself yeah its a fair deal, the city wont give us more without taking more, then youve already lost. As soon you rationalize it, you give the city permission to test the boundaries again the next time. We absolutely should be the most well paid civil service job in the city, not because we put our loves on the line, but because at the end of the day we get stuck with bill. We clean up everyone elses mess, we get ordered to stay an extra 5, 10, 20, 30+ hours for the needs of the dept or some other bull****. We deserve the pay because if someone in some bull**** clerk job gets told to do something they dont like can tell their supervisor to fck off. Those stupid HELP trucks on the highway can refuse orders and file a greivance against their supervisors. The city wants to paint us in the same light, but then quickly forgets that we are the only ones that they can literally bully around to get **** done.

2andDone · Veteran Member

This is the chart for the PBA when they accepted the 2.25% neighborhood policing. It definitely puts into a new perspective on the contract.

RookieScum4Life · Senior Member

Salary Charts and Fact Sheet

thisjobsucks · Veteran Member

Im voting yes, Im a top pay LCD and in 2021 it will be 168K to walk in the door with no OT and no night diff. With 40 hrs a month and Night Diff we are looking at 230k easy

Zeph · Senior Member

Youre a selfish guy thisjobsucks. I guess your username is more like a farce than anything else.

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

Zeph wrote:
They should call it Veteran Lts with over 5 years pay

-- Edited by Zeph on Saturday 18th of January 2020 04:56:34 PM

Hey dummy, thats exactly what they are calling it. LT Longevity bonus. Clown. 10.25 percent compounded over a 3 year spread? Please and thank you. Another yes vote here.

Zeph · Senior Member

*******! I see you like to bend over for Lou Turco. I hope he at least allows to grease well.

Cfgl1888 · Senior Member

Not going to weigh in on my opinion on the contract, but assuming that it passes the vote, when does the pay take effect? Is the vote after the "union specific" bargaining?

jaggedj · Senior Member

I personally think this contract is not at all that bad. Ill be voting yes.