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3yrWonder · Senior Member

March 2019

brooklynbacon · Guru

I thought the Lt list was going to quarterly bmocs?

Passover · Veteran Member

I am still hearing no LTS till May

Shotsfired · Guru

So are we looking at a decent size class considering we havent had a class in 6 months?

Jibberjab · Senior Member

Nope

Passover · Veteran Member

Hearing 50 in may

W_T_F_ · Veteran Member

If the current promotion numbers continues in this trend, it means in the next 3 years or so, only around 50 Sergeants will be promoted to the Lieutenant rank per quarter. This equals to roughly around 200 promotions per year for the next 3 years. By the time the list expires, it should get up to around 900 (maybe less). Not sure if the Department is going to extend the promotion from this list after the expiration date. It's safe to say that people with the higher list numbers should consider studying for the next Lieutenant's exam just to be on the safe side.

Jman · Veteran Member

3yrWonder wrote:
So since the next tentative promotion date after the 5th is scheduled for the 29th, should we assume people will get notified this week for mentoring if mentoring is still happening?

No promotion March 29th. No promotion in April. Next promotion date is Friday May 3rd.

Jibberjab · Senior Member

Jman wrote:
3yrWonder wrote:
So since the next tentative promotion date after the 5th is scheduled for the 29th, should we assume people will get notified this week for mentoring if mentoring is still happening?
No promotion March 29th. No promotion in April. Next promotion date is Friday May 3rd.

So we dont know what's gunna happen in a weeks time but now we are predicting what happens 2 months from now?

Jman · Veteran Member

Ceremonial Unit gets the dates way in advance. Its not a big secret

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

Buckle up. This seems to be the trend. 3 or 4 promos a year for LTs. Why is anyone surprised by this? LTs have the lowest attrition rate of all the ranks. Honestly, if they put 4 classes in a year Id say thats generous.

narco26 · Senior Member

I agree this list will die at about 700 or mid 7s no one is leaving.

brooklynbacon · Guru

soccerpsyco32 wrote:
Buckle up. This seems to be the trend. 3 or 4 promos a year for LTs. Why is anyone surprised by this? LTs have the lowest attrition rate of all the ranks. Honestly, if they put 4 classes in a year Id say thats generous.

Lets just hope the current pace of 50 every six months doesnt continue lol

Passover · Veteran Member

Was told today that the PC signed off on a LTS promotion/BMOC. Promotion is scheduled for LTs May 3rd. Working on trying to find out how many.

-- Edited by Passover on Tuesday 12th of March 2019 05:54:49 PM

3yrWonder · Senior Member

Passover wrote:
Was told today that the PC signed off on a LTS promotion/BMOC. Promotion is scheduled for LTs May 3rd. Working on trying to find out how many.

-- Edited by Passover on Tuesday 12th of March 2019 05:54:49 PM

I heard the same, 50ish Lts for the first week in May. And the wait goes on...

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Was told 40-45 May 3rd,...no more classes until fall of 2019.

brooklynbacon · Guru

DRPapi1983 wrote:
Was told 40-45 May 3rd,...no more classes until fall of 2019.

List is on pace to die at 550 lol.

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
DRPapi1983 wrote:
Was told 40-45 May 3rd,...no more classes until fall of 2019.
List is on pace to die at 550 lol.

If the LTs list dies at 550, the sgts list dies at 1400. The two are always proportionate.

PD2FD · Guru

brooklynbacon wrote:
DRPapi1983 wrote:
Was told 40-45 May 3rd,...no more classes until fall of 2019.
List is on pace to die at 550 lol.

The city is cutting back (financially) in every aspect. The uniform count is slowly going down, while the civilian count is increasing. The department is trying to replace a lot of uniformed admin positions with cheaper civilians.

The department is also cutting back on operational overtime (city-wide) exponentially. The Police Officer count is decreasing, which leads to a need for less Sergeants.

The city wants the Department to "do more with less" and with the "drop" in crime, it makes it easier for the department to do so.

We need a spike in crime for the city to realize that more cops is a NECESSITY. So if you're out on patrol, stop ****-canning these majors and just let it be.

Shotsfired · Guru

If we do approximately 4 classes of approximately 50 people thats around 200 a year which everyone is saying is the average. If we hit around 265-270 at the one year mark, we are obviously ahead of the game. I dont know why everyone is freaking out like this is a surprise. Everyone here is just speculating just like every list on this forum. Nobody knows whats going to happen.

brooklynbacon · Guru

Shotsfired wrote:
If we do approximately 4 classes of approximately 50 people thats around 200 a year which everyone is saying is the average. If we hit around 265-270 at the one year mark, we are obviously ahead of the game. I dont know why everyone is freaking out like this is a surprise. Everyone here is just speculating just like every list on this forum. Nobody knows whats going to happen.

I agree, and theres a lot of debbie downers here, but november to may is 6 months. 50, if its that high of a number, in 6 months is pretty bad.

Jibberjab · Senior Member

Agree with shots fired. We started the list off real hot and even as bad as the last months have been we are on pace to out do the average. Everyone relax and let it happen. Plus start whispering in the ears of those dinosaur LT that retirement is bliss.

Endthemisery · Member

any luck on how many for may 3?

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Endthemisery wrote:
any luck on how many for may 3?

40-45,...

DRPapi1983 · Guru

brooklynbacon wrote:
DRPapi1983 wrote:
Was told 40-45 May 3rd,...no more classes until fall of 2019.
List is on pace to die at 550 lol.

Dont think so lol,..unlike the other unions (PBA, DEA and SBA), LBA only hires NEW Lieutenants based on vacancies,...1 for 1,.this is why this whole list will not be made....its a sad reality but this is why this rank is so competitive,...lets hope these 30 year lieutenants retire in droves in the coming months/year,...stay tuned,...

-- Edited by DRPapi1983 on Thursday 14th of March 2019 11:19:39 PM

TooSucio4u · Senior Member

DRPapi1983 wrote:
brooklynbacon wrote:
DRPapi1983 wrote:
Was told 40-45 May 3rd,...no more classes until fall of 2019.
List is on pace to die at 550 lol.
Dont think so lol,..unlike the other unions (PBA, DEA and SBA), LBA only hires NEW Lieutenants based on vacancies,...1 for 1,.this is why this whole list will not be made....its a sad reality but this is why this rank is so competitive,...lets hope these 30 year lieutenants retire in droves in the coming months/year,...stay tuned,...

-- Edited by DRPapi1983 on Thursday 14th of March 2019 11:19:39 PM

So who has the info on how many Lts have more than 25 years on as of now ? Wheres my LBA folks ?

-- Edited by TooSucio4u on Friday 15th of March 2019 02:47:07 AM

DRPapi1983 · Guru

TooSucio4u wrote:
DRPapi1983 wrote:
brooklynbacon wrote:
DRPapi1983 wrote:
Was told 40-45 May 3rd,...no more classes until fall of 2019.
List is on pace to die at 550 lol.
Dont think so lol,..unlike the other unions (PBA, DEA and SBA), LBA only hires NEW Lieutenants based on vacancies,...1 for 1,.this is why this whole list will not be made....its a sad reality but this is why this rank is so competitive,...lets hope these 30 year lieutenants retire in droves in the coming months/year,...stay tuned,...

-- Edited by DRPapi1983 on Thursday 14th of March 2019 11:19:39 PM
So who has the info on how many Lts have more than 25 years on as of now ? Wheres my LBA folks ?

-- Edited by TooSucio4u on Friday 15th of March 2019 02:47:07 AM

LIMS would have that info,....

6WIRE · Veteran Member

How do you know there are no classes till fall?

Shotsfired · Guru

6WIRE wrote:
How do you know there are no classes till fall?

No one knows. Guys on here love posting negative info to make themselves feel better.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

6WIRE wrote:
How do you know there are no classes till fall?

Thats what I was told ,....dont shoot the messenger

JustWonderin · Guru

Please dont listen to this guy DRPAPI. He has no sources and all he knows is investigating and jamming up cops. FACT

narco26 · Senior Member

I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

JustWonderin wrote:
Please dont listen to this guy DRPAPI. He has no sources and all he knows is investigating and jamming up cops. FACT

Smh,...

DRPapi1983 · Guru

narco26 wrote:
I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.

Thank you Narco26,..just trying to shed some light on this situation,..

SRGrook033 · Senior Member

Since Sgt mentoring ends on April 7th and mostlikely bmoc starts on the 8th for them... will the May 3rd promotion still stand? Since it would make only their bmoc a 4 week one which is not the norm (usually 5-7)?

4thtimeisthecharm · Veteran Member

SRGrook033 wrote:
Since Sgt mentoring ends on April 7th and mostlikely bmoc starts on the 8th for them... will the May 3rd promotion still stand? Since it would make only their bmoc a 4 week one which is not the norm (usually 5-7)?

They will just finish bmoc as a Sergeant. My class was promoted to sergeant in the third week of bmoc. Happens alot, especially around the holidays.

JustWonderin · Guru

The DRPapi1983 wrote:
narco26 wrote:
I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.
Thank you Narco26,..just trying to shed some light on this situation,..

The llist reaching 700 has nothing to do with what DR PAPI is saying. Hes saying no promotions until the fall. There is no way in hell he knows that in the month of March. Hes stating his opinion as if its fact

DRPapi1983 · Guru

JustWonderin wrote:
The DRPapi1983 wrote:
narco26 wrote:
I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.
Thank you Narco26,..just trying to shed some light on this situation,..
The llist reaching 700 has nothing to do with what DR PAPI is saying. Hes saying no promotions until the fall. There is no way in hell he knows that in the month of March. Hes stating his opinion as if its fact

Smh,..info I got is 40-45 on May 3rd,...no more promotions after May until the Fall,...no opinions here ,...****, I hope Im wrong and we get more promoted to Lieutenant,...

redcons2 · Senior Member

They can wait 6 months and put in several large classes or small ones right after another etc. It doesn't matter the rate of lieutenant promotion. What matters is the rate of lieutenant of retirement and captain rate of promotion.

-- Edited by redcons2 on Sunday 17th of March 2019 03:05:33 AM

25isthenew20 · Senior Member

redcons2 wrote:
They can wait 6 months and put in several large classes or small ones right after another etc. It doesn't matter the rate of lieutenant promotion. What matters is the rate of lieutenant of retirement and captain rate of promotion.

-- Edited by redcons2 on Sunday 17th of March 2019 03:05:33 AM

Yea...its all about those vacancies for every civil service rank...

Theforceisstrongwiththisone · Guru

JustWonderin wrote:
The DRPapi1983 wrote:
narco26 wrote:
I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.
Thank you Narco26,..just trying to shed some light on this situation,..
The llist reaching 700 has nothing to do with what DR PAPI is saying. Hes saying no promotions until the fall. There is no way in hell he knows that in the month of March. Hes stating his opinion as if its fact

Justwonderin is correct...drpapi is a buffoon who has been exposed on numerous occasions. Yes this seem to be slowing up. Guys the reality is that the job is no longer 20 and out. These old farts are staying til 25 maybe even 30. The list being cut around 600 to 700 is a real possibility...it is what it is

-- Edited by Theforceisstrongwiththisone on Wednesday 20th of March 2019 01:08:58 AM

RBJ5154 · Senior Member

Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:
JustWonderin wrote:
The DRPapi1983 wrote:
narco26 wrote:
I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.
Thank you Narco26,..just trying to shed some light on this situation,..
The llist reaching 700 has nothing to do with what DR PAPI is saying. Hes saying no promotions until the fall. There is no way in hell he knows that in the month of March. Hes stating his opinion as if its fact
Justwonderin is correct...drpapi is a buffoon who has been exposed on numerous occasions. Yes this seem to be slowing up. Guys the reality is that the job is no longer 20 and out. These old farts are staying til 25 maybe even 30. The list being cut around 600 to 700 is a real possibility...it is what it is

-- Edited by Theforceisstrongwiththisone on Wednesday 20th of March 2019 01:08:58 AM

Zero percent chance this list gets cut at 700 or less. List will be near 300 if not over for the first year. If you think they dont make 400 lieutenant over the next 3 years youre out of your mind. Not saying this list goes over 1000 but no way top 700 dont make it. Facts.

brooklynbacon · Guru

RBJ5154 wrote:
Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:
JustWonderin wrote:
The DRPapi1983 wrote:
narco26 wrote:
I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.
Thank you Narco26,..just trying to shed some light on this situation,..
The llist reaching 700 has nothing to do with what DR PAPI is saying. Hes saying no promotions until the fall. There is no way in hell he knows that in the month of March. Hes stating his opinion as if its fact
Justwonderin is correct...drpapi is a buffoon who has been exposed on numerous occasions. Yes this seem to be slowing up. Guys the reality is that the job is no longer 20 and out. These old farts are staying til 25 maybe even 30. The list being cut around 600 to 700 is a real possibility...it is what it is

-- Edited by Theforceisstrongwiththisone on Wednesday 20th of March 2019 01:08:58 AM
Zero percent chance this list gets cut at 700 or less. List will be near 300 if not over for the first year. If you think they dont make 400 lieutenant over the next 3 years youre out of your mind. Not saying this list goes over 1000 but no way top 700 dont make it. Facts.

Well one fact is that no Lts list has ever reached 800 names. cry

RBJ5154 · Senior Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
RBJ5154 wrote:
Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:
JustWonderin wrote:
The DRPapi1983 wrote:
narco26 wrote:
I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.
Thank you Narco26,..just trying to shed some light on this situation,..
The llist reaching 700 has nothing to do with what DR PAPI is saying. Hes saying no promotions until the fall. There is no way in hell he knows that in the month of March. Hes stating his opinion as if its fact
Justwonderin is correct...drpapi is a buffoon who has been exposed on numerous occasions. Yes this seem to be slowing up. Guys the reality is that the job is no longer 20 and out. These old farts are staying til 25 maybe even 30. The list being cut around 600 to 700 is a real possibility...it is what it is

-- Edited by Theforceisstrongwiththisone on Wednesday 20th of March 2019 01:08:58 AM
Zero percent chance this list gets cut at 700 or less. List will be near 300 if not over for the first year. If you think they dont make 400 lieutenant over the next 3 years youre out of your mind. Not saying this list goes over 1000 but no way top 700 dont make it. Facts.
Well one fact is that no Lts list has ever reached 800 names.

The above poster said 600-700 not 800. Youre entitled to your opinion. Im in the high 700s and Im not even the slightest bit worried I wont make it. A lot can happen in 3 plus years.

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

RBJ5154 wrote:
Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:
JustWonderin wrote:
The DRPapi1983 wrote:
narco26 wrote:
I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.
Thank you Narco26,..just trying to shed some light on this situation,..
The llist reaching 700 has nothing to do with what DR PAPI is saying. Hes saying no promotions until the fall. There is no way in hell he knows that in the month of March. Hes stating his opinion as if its fact
Justwonderin is correct...drpapi is a buffoon who has been exposed on numerous occasions. Yes this seem to be slowing up. Guys the reality is that the job is no longer 20 and out. These old farts are staying til 25 maybe even 30. The list being cut around 600 to 700 is a real possibility...it is what it is

-- Edited by Theforceisstrongwiththisone on Wednesday 20th of March 2019 01:08:58 AM
Zero percent chance this list gets cut at 700 or less. List will be near 300 if not over for the first year. If you think they dont make 400 lieutenant over the next 3 years youre out of your mind. Not saying this list goes over 1000 but no way top 700 dont make it. Facts.

If youre under 800 you should be safe. With the anticipated group of 45ish in May that puts this list at around 250/260 for the first year. Dont expect that rate to continue. You need to remember that there was a significant gap in time between when the 2015 list was exhausted and when the new list was established. It was about a 9 month dry spell with no list. That resulted in a backlog of LT vacancies to the tune of 100+ by the time the first group on the new list was promoted on June 5th. 100 or so names from this year were really covering for the previous 9 months and playing catch up to fill those vacancies. When you factor that 9 month gap in, the historical average of about 175 a year is the real number. There is no reason or expectation for the job to deviate from this.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

soccerpsyco32 wrote:
RBJ5154 wrote:
Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:
JustWonderin wrote:
The DRPapi1983 wrote:
narco26 wrote:
I have to agree with dr papi I think the list will maybe hit 700, no one is leaving and if the PBA gets a decent contract all these lts are going to stick around. My Lt has 27 years on and talking to him he said he aint going anywhere.
Thank you Narco26,..just trying to shed some light on this situation,..
The llist reaching 700 has nothing to do with what DR PAPI is saying. Hes saying no promotions until the fall. There is no way in hell he knows that in the month of March. Hes stating his opinion as if its fact
Justwonderin is correct...drpapi is a buffoon who has been exposed on numerous occasions. Yes this seem to be slowing up. Guys the reality is that the job is no longer 20 and out. These old farts are staying til 25 maybe even 30. The list being cut around 600 to 700 is a real possibility...it is what it is

-- Edited by Theforceisstrongwiththisone on Wednesday 20th of March 2019 01:08:58 AM
Zero percent chance this list gets cut at 700 or less. List will be near 300 if not over for the first year. If you think they dont make 400 lieutenant over the next 3 years youre out of your mind. Not saying this list goes over 1000 but no way top 700 dont make it. Facts.
If youre under 800 you should be safe. With the anticipated group of 45ish in May that puts this list at around 250/260 for the first year. Dont expect that rate to continue. You need to remember that there was a significant gap in time between when the 2015 list was exhausted and when the new list was established. It was about a 9 month dry spell with no list. That resulted in a backlog of LT vacancies to the tune of 100+ by the time the first group on the new list was promoted on June 5th. 100 or so names from this year were really covering for the previous 9 months and playing catch up to fill those vacancies. When you factor that 9 month gap in, the historical average of about 175 a year is the real number. There is no reason or expectation for the job to deviate from this.

Thank you for clarifying ,..

Passover · Veteran Member

April 15th with 30-35 for mentoring.

SRGrook033 · Senior Member

Passover wrote:
April 15th with 30-35 for mentoring.

Where is this info coming from? And you stated before a class of 50 for May... is it still the #?

-- Edited by SRGrook033 on Thursday 21st of March 2019 06:16:57 PM

Passover · Veteran Member

50 is still the number. Mentoring is for non Patrol Sgts. My info comes from a competent source. I wouldnt put it out there if it wasnt confirmed.

-- Edited by Passover on Friday 22nd of March 2019 02:13:06 AM

63ASAP · Guru

Passover wrote:
50 is still the number. Mentoring is for non Patrol Sgts. My info comes from a competent source. I wouldnt put it out there if it wasnt confirmed.

-- Edited by Passover on Friday 22nd of March 2019 02:13:06 AM

Damn. Was hoping for a little more.