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cop · Senior Member

Official Grades

Mck04 · Veteran Member

Looks like passing was 60.608. Curve, most definitely

-- Edited by Mck04 on Saturday 13th of January 2018 09:29:18 PM

Mck04 · Veteran Member

Maybe even less cuz this kid that got 66. Ended up with 75.392

MBREEZE · Senior Member

Mck04 wrote:
Looks like passing was 60.608. Curve, most definitely

-- Edited by Mck04 on Saturday 13th of January 2018 09:29:18 PM

Not true my partner got a 65 at the protest and did not pass and is not on the list.

RS2323 · Senior Member

Such nonsense being spewed. He picked up 4 points off throw outs and then had seniority points, medals added in. Why is it so hard to understand?

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

MBREEZE wrote:
Mck04 wrote:
Looks like passing was 60.608. Curve, most definitely

-- Edited by Mck04 on Saturday 13th of January 2018 09:29:18 PM
Not true my partner got a 65 at the protest and did not pass and is not on the list.

Your partner either counted wrong or isn't telling you truth. The passing grade was lowered to 61. I know that for a FACT.

MBREEZE · Senior Member

IamTheLaw wrote:
MBREEZE wrote:
Mck04 wrote:
Looks like passing was 60.608. Curve, most definitely

-- Edited by Mck04 on Saturday 13th of January 2018 09:29:18 PM
Not true my partner got a 65 at the protest and did not pass and is not on the list.
Your partner either counted wrong or isn't telling you truth. The passing grade was lowered to 61. I know that for a FACT.

I would love to believe you but we went the same day. I sat 3 seats over from him in Manhattan. He got a 65. He didn't lie i was there. Not trying to turn this into a back and forth. You have your beliefs about the curve. Maybe you are right maybe wrong but if you are right the passing grade was not 60.

I really believe that we had a lot of throw outs. Anywhere between 7 and 12 total. What sucks is if you get a question right that ultimately becomes a throw out it doesn't matter for you.

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

Yeah, no need to argue. But the passing grade was lowered. The test was curved and the list size increase was intentional. After the tvb and all of our throwouts the list was still under 1400. That is a FACT. There were some throwouts but not as much as you think. It's not what I believe. It's what I KNOW. It is a FACT. Confirmed by Rookiescum and JD and other people on this board who are in the know, so you don't have to take my word for it. And like you said, you were a few seats away from your friend. Maybe you guys miscounted. Cause if DCAS actually let you stand behind his screen and count, that's a whole other problem. Lol. He probably just counted wrong.

MBREEZE · Senior Member

IamTheLaw wrote:
Yeah, no need to argue. But the passing grade was lowered. The test was curved and the list size increase was intentional. After the tvb and all of our throwouts the list was still under 1400. That is a FACT. There were some throwouts but not as much as you think. It's not what I believe. It's what I KNOW. It is a FACT. Confirmed by Rookiescum and JD and other people on this board who are in the know, so you don't have to take my word for it. And like you said, you were a few seats away from your friend. Maybe you guys miscounted. Cause if DCAS actually let you stand behind his screen and count, that's a whole other problem. Lol. He probably just counted wrong.

Definitely didn't stand behind his seat and count lol. At the end of the day i could care less off this test was curved, lowered or whatever. We are on the list and that's all that matters and i really do believe this entire list is getting made.

Mck04 · Veteran Member

He just sent me his score. He got 66 originally. Got 75.392. After curve or throwouts. Then his seniority kicked in for 82....

yougonow · Guru

I work with a guy who studied his ASS off, didn't make it. He did elite and read key packets. He must have been low low low.

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

MBREEZE wrote:
IamTheLaw wrote:
Yeah, no need to argue. But the passing grade was lowered. The test was curved and the list size increase was intentional. After the tvb and all of our throwouts the list was still under 1400. That is a FACT. There were some throwouts but not as much as you think. It's not what I believe. It's what I KNOW. It is a FACT. Confirmed by Rookiescum and JD and other people on this board who are in the know, so you don't have to take my word for it. And like you said, you were a few seats away from your friend. Maybe you guys miscounted. Cause if DCAS actually let you stand behind his screen and count, that's a whole other problem. Lol. He probably just counted wrong.
Definitely didn't stand behind his seat and count lol. At the end of the day i could care less off this test was curved, lowered or whatever. We are on the list and that's all that matters and i really do believe this entire list is getting made.

Cheers to that brother! I have it on good authority that the naysayers and doubters of this list going the distance will be wrong... again.. lol. And I also had a friend who told me he got in the 60s and after I didn't see them on the list and pressed the issue they admitted that after they counted 31 red wrong answers they stopped counting and guestimated later. It happens.

Mck04 · Veteran Member

passing has to be less then 61

brooklynbacon · Guru

Next class is 50 in march. They are going to have to hurry the f up to get through 2600 in 4 years.

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

Mck04 wrote:
passing has to be less then 61

61 was the proverbial line in the sand. That's not to say someone couldn't have gotten a 59 and picked up a few throw outs from the TVB to get them over the hump.

Mck04 · Veteran Member

IamTheLaw wrote:
Mck04 wrote:
passing has to be less then 61
61 was the proverbial line in the sand. That's not to say someone couldn't have gotten a 59 and picked up a few throw outs from the TVB to get them over the hump.

Very true

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
Next class is 50 in march. They are going to have to hurry the f up to get through 2600 in 4 years.

Once the LT and Cpt lists get established, plus the coming retirments, NCO expansion, and insane amount of supervisor body camera responsibities, the need for sgts will pick up as will the size and rate of classes.

BlastLivesMatter · Senior Member

I know of 2 guys who said they got a 68 at the protest session but still failed because they didnt pick up any points. Thats what makes me think it wasnt curved.

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

BlastLivesMatter wrote:
I know of 2 guys who said they got a 68 at the protest session but still failed because they didnt pick up any points. Thats what makes me think it wasnt curved.

I'll find you 4 more who said they got a 69 and failed. People get embarrased and say they failed by a few points. It happens every test. If I had a dollar for everytime someone claimed they got 69 or 68 when they failed. 61 was the passing Blast. I mean come on. Even if there wasn't a curve, which there was, and lets say that they got a 68 and failed while people are passing with a 60 or 61 then either they have the worst luck in the world or did what my friend did and count 31 wrong during the protest and felt so defeated that they didn't even bother to count the rest.

-- Edited by IamTheLaw on Saturday 13th of January 2018 11:38:56 PM

RS2323 · Senior Member

So how do you know it was curved "for a fact". You do know the difference between fact and heresy, right? I hope you guys are trolling because it's hard to imagine you are that obtuse.

Mck04 · Veteran Member

U will not get in between scores with throwouts. However u will with curve.

RS2323 · Senior Member

Where are your "facts"??

Mck04 · Veteran Member

RS2323 wrote:
Where are your "facts"??

Fact is. If there wasnt any curve the scores wouldnt be in between before your longevity and medals, jst and stuff. This case scores were in between even before getting those Extra points. It aint that different to figure it out

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

RS2323 wrote:
So how do you know it was curved "for a fact". You do know the difference between fact and heresy, right? I hope you guys are trolling because it's hard to imagine you are that obtuse.

I wasn't even going to entertain you because you my friend are clown and cleeeeaarrrlly have no clue how things work. I can't tell if you're trying to troll me or are just a dunce. You talk so much nonsense while trying to sound smarter than you actually are that you're actually starting to remind me of someone else who used to post a lot around here but disappeared after causing mass hysteria when he said "The list is in PD Hands! Passing is 1215! Throwouts were on the Protest!" Ag3fynst is this you???

So69isntgood · Member

7-12 throwouts ... ok lets go to the extreme and say 12 so someone technically could score a 49 originally, picked up all throw outs gets a 61... now passing grade is 61... then vet points seniority jst medals end up scoring in the 80s?

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

There weren't that many throwouts. I don't know if you guys remember a while back I told you there were 2 lists floating around. One around 1400 and one around 2600. The 1400 list was the actual list after throwouts. The 2600 was the list after the curve.

yougonow · Guru

It must have been purposely made and probably to get most people off of it. Otherwise they would have left it alone.

IamTheLaw · Senior Member

Exactly. 1400 would have been more than adequate. Especially going by normal list size standards. The 2600 list is a purposely manufactured anomaly.

Mck04 · Veteran Member

IamTheLaw wrote:
Exactly. 1400 would have been more than adequate. Especially going by normal list size standards. The 2600 list is a purposely manufactured anomaly.

Exactly, Which means they upto something. Lets see what happens

-- Edited by Mck04 on Sunday 14th of January 2018 03:49:57 PM

yougonow · Guru

I guess we will really know when the FY is over in June. Upon a new budget from the city, we will then fully understand, especially if they raise the Sgt employee limit.

jaribu · Veteran Member

I know they curved the test. Yet, Why would they curve the test getting an additional 1200 people on the list if they are not planning on hiring most of the 2600 people. If the list was 1400 before and they hire 450 Sgts a year the list is good for 3 years. There wouldnt be any point to curving the test and adding an extra 1200 names just to let the list die at 1700-1800 names in 4 years. This job has to be adding more Sgts then we currently have.

-- Edited by jaribu on Sunday 14th of January 2018 04:19:40 PM

Reds · Veteran Member

I believe the exam was curved due to the fact that the makeup exams were different. Possibly something to do with making sure all the pass rates were in line to avoid any type of lawsuit. Just my opinion.

thejimmy · Member

How come the mc came out to uneven numbers I got a 73.805? I always thought the questions where all equal had to be worth one point each. Would throw outs cause some questions to be worth more than others?

Mck04 · Veteran Member

thejimmy wrote:
How come the mc came out to uneven numbers I got a 73.805? I always thought the questions where all equal had to be worth one point each. Would throw outs cause some questions to be worth more than others?

You must be very new to this. If u only read a little more. U would have figured it out. The reason its in between was that the passing was dropped below 70 aka curved thats why u got in between.

Thebirds · Senior Member

thejimmy wrote:
How come the mc came out to uneven numbers I got a 73.805? I always thought the questions where all equal had to be worth one point each. Would throw outs cause some questions to be worth more than others?

Because it was curved

Mck04 · Veteran Member

thejimmy wrote:
How come the mc came out to uneven numbers I got a 73.805? I always thought the questions where all equal had to be worth one point each. Would throw outs cause some questions to be worth more than others?

Future Sgt Smh

JDMEVO9 · Senior Member

So69isntgood wrote:
7-12 throwouts ... ok lets go to the extreme and say 12 so someone technically could score a 49 originally, picked up all throw outs gets a 61... now passing grade is 61... then vet points seniority jst medals end up scoring in the 80s?

Did you read what you wrote ?

The 7-12 Extra Points whether its Throw Outs OR *Bonus* points would be for those who scored a 61-69.

At the 70 mark You NOW kick in seniority points.

Whether it was 5 throw outs + 6 Bonus points for dealing with savage co-workers over the course of your career or a curve for X amount of points.. you guys put in $5 and the Wheel of Fortune Machine Landed on Spin Spin Spin. You reached out and pulled that Lever and in a loud voice you heard WHEEL ! OF ! FORTUNE ! And the Test landed on Mega Throw Outs holding a Curved Arrow Sign.

This created a Lovely Jingle and you Cashed out $100 after putting in $5.

The point is that dudes with a 61 Passed in the 70s and dudes that scored in the HIGH 60s.. ended up in the low 80s if they had around 10+ Years on. Theres multiple ways you can do the calculations.

But I Get it ! Some have a SENSITIVE EGOs and dont want to hear that they scored a 76 because it was a Curve and they technically didnt EARN IT Because of the TRUE SCORE they saw at the protest session. And you open that DCAS letter and say to yourself OMG how does my score read an 75-80-85 when i freakin scored in the 60s ?

OH WELL ! Cash out be grateful and study so u know what your doing when i become your platoon commander and u dont pester me with something like this Hey EL T. I have a 16 year old in Perfect Mental Health, never went missing before, No Warrants, no Meds, fully capable of Self Care, nothing suspicious, she didnt go Swimming, and she left a note that she was going to be home 3 hours ago. do I call a Level 1 ? if you dont see the Errors in asking me such a Question.. thats a problem.

study for the real world because you suck at test taking but i still have faith in you.

Your not getting a 45 to 61 end up with an 80 Dude...

the Job gave you a Booster Seat so you dont fly out the window.

Youre ALIVE !

-- Edited by JDMEVO9 on Sunday 14th of January 2018 06:12:12 PM

brooklynbacon · Guru

Reds wrote:
I believe the exam was curved due to the fact that the makeup exams were different. Possibly something to do with making sure all the pass rates were in line to avoid any type of lawsuit. Just my opinion.

Thats a very good point. And makes more sense than the job made the list 2600 to hire all 2600 people.

brooklynbacon · Guru

thejimmy wrote:
How come the mc came out to uneven numbers I got a 73.805? I always thought the questions where all equal had to be worth one point each. Would throw outs cause some questions to be worth more than others?

The .805 comes from medals and seniority points. Thats why theres in between scores.

yougonow · Guru

brooklynbacon wrote:
Reds wrote:
I believe the exam was curved due to the fact that the makeup exams were different. Possibly something to do with making sure all the pass rates were in line to avoid any type of lawsuit. Just my opinion.
Thats a very good point. And makes more sense than the job made the list 2600 to hire all 2600 people.

I read-only 16 people took it. Not sure how that plays a part. If there were maybe a 100, ok. But 16. Not sure about that theory at all.

thejimmy · Member

I mean before medals it was 73.805 I got 2.901 for the medals and seniority to get a average score over a 76.

-- Edited by thejimmy on Sunday 14th of January 2018 06:23:22 PM

brooklynbacon · Guru

thejimmy wrote:
I mean before medals it was 73.805 I got 2.901 for the medals and seniority to get a average score over a 76.

-- Edited by thejimmy on Sunday 14th of January 2018 06:23:22 PM

Almost 3 points in medals? You must have like 8 medals of honor.

DeezNutz · Veteran Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
thejimmy wrote:
I mean before medals it was 73.805 I got 2.901 for the medals and seniority to get a average score over a 76.

-- Edited by thejimmy on Sunday 14th of January 2018 06:23:22 PM
Almost 3 points in medals? You must have like 8 medals of honor.

And obviously he has no T on the J.

redcons2 · Senior Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
thejimmy wrote:
I mean before medals it was 73.805 I got 2.901 for the medals and seniority to get a average score over a 76.

-- Edited by thejimmy on Sunday 14th of January 2018 06:23:22 PM
Almost 3 points in medals? You must have like 8 medals of honor.

I thought everyone writes up 511s?

Arrow · Senior Member

You cant write up 511s anymore. They changed the entire medal procedure

Reds · Veteran Member

yougonow wrote:
brooklynbacon wrote:
Reds wrote:
I believe the exam was curved due to the fact that the makeup exams were different. Possibly something to do with making sure all the pass rates were in line to avoid any type of lawsuit. Just my opinion.
Thats a very good point. And makes more sense than the job made the list 2600 to hire all 2600 people.

I read-only 16 people took it. Not sure how that plays a part. If there were maybe a 100, ok. But 16. Not sure about that theory at all.

Over 60 people took a makeup exam. 16 on 02/27. 40 took it in late May and there were 2-3 other sessions given with a handful of cops each time. Still a small # though.

HubbaBubba · Member

JDMEVO9 wrote:
So69isntgood wrote:
7-12 throwouts ... ok lets go to the extreme and say 12 so someone technically could score a 49 originally, picked up all throw outs gets a 61... now passing grade is 61... then vet points seniority jst medals end up scoring in the 80s?
Did you read what you wrote ?

The 7-12 Extra Points whether its Throw Outs OR *Bonus* points would be for those who scored a 61-69.
At the 70 mark You NOW kick in seniority points.
Whether it was 5 throw outs + 6 Bonus points for dealing with savage co-workers over the course of your career or a curve for X amount of points.. you guys put in $5 and the Wheel of Fortune Machine Landed on Spin Spin Spin. You reached out and pulled that Lever and in a loud voice you heard WHEEL ! OF ! FORTUNE ! And the Test landed on Mega Throw Outs holding a Curved Arrow Sign.
This created a Lovely Jingle and you Cashed out $100 after putting in $5.
The point is that dudes with a 61 Passed in the 70s and dudes that scored in the HIGH 60s.. ended up in the low 80s if they had around 10+ Years on. Theres multiple ways you can do the calculations.
But I Get it ! Some have a SENSITIVE EGOs and dont want to hear that they scored a 76 because it was a Curve and they technically didnt EARN IT Because of the TRUE SCORE they saw at the protest session. And you open that DCAS letter and say to yourself OMG how does my score read an 75-80-85 when i freakin scored in the 60s ?

OH WELL ! Cash out be grateful and study so u know what your doing when i become your platoon commander and u dont pester me with something like this Hey EL T. I have a 16 year old in Perfect Mental Health, never went missing before, No Warrants, no Meds, fully capable of Self Care, nothing suspicious, she didnt go Swimming, and she left a note that she was going to be home 3 hours ago. do I call a Level 1 ? if you dont see the Errors in asking me such a Question.. thats a problem.
study for the real world because you suck at test taking but i still have faith in you.

Your not getting a 45 to 61 end up with an 80 Dude...
the Job gave you a Booster Seat so you dont fly out the window.
Youre ALIVE !

-- Edited by JDMEVO9 on Sunday 14th of January 2018 06:12:12 PM

Awesome...well said

MBREEZE · Senior Member

yougonow wrote:
I guess we will really know when the FY is over in June. Upon a new budget from the city, we will then fully understand, especially if they raise the Sgt employee limit.

This is the one post that makes a lot of sense. I actually know two people who work in DCMB. They might have some insight on this. I'll try to reach out tomorrow and report back if they say anything worth while.

yougonow · Guru

MBREEZE wrote:
yougonow wrote:
I guess we will really know when the FY is over in June. Upon a new budget from the city, we will then fully understand, especially if they raise the Sgt employee limit.
This is the one post that makes a lot of sense. I actually know two people who work in DCMB. They might have some insight on this. I'll try to reach out tomorrow and report back if they say anything worth while.

Keep us posted! Or message me lol

ajvic21 · Senior Member

There was no curve. Whatever questions were protested were automatically marked correct.....free of lawsuit....and leaving a long list up to the 4 year expiration date from the date the list is published......Not a curve, but about 7-12 legitimate questions protested....thus, giving exam takers who failed in the 60s (if awarded enough on throw outs) to reach a passing grade of a 70....then once you reached the 70 passing grade....the seniority, fitness points, and or medals kicked in.....so its very possible for someone to get a 62....fail initially....pick up 8 points on throwouts, end with a 70, and because of seniority points, fitness, and medals, can land a mid 70s, even 80.....so again! There was no curve, just throw outs, and who did it benefit the most.....senior cops....who did it effect....test takers on the bottom of the list prior to throwouts.....