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Say Added Questions For Sergeant Exam An Unfair Wrinkle
By MARK TOOR | Posted Yesterday
Some candidates who took the promotion exam for NYPD Sergeant complained that the number of questions was raised from 100 to 130 yet no additional time was given.
Many of us dedicated the last nine to 10 months preparing for the exam and sacrificed our lives at different levels to be challenged not by the content of the exam but by [an] unfair practice, one Detective who took the Oct. 19 test wrote to THE CHIEF-LEADER.
Research Problematic
The letter said that about three weeks before the exam was given, the Department of Citywide Administrative Services, which handles civil-service testing, issued an amended Notice of Examination saying that a number of research questions would be added to the test. The test usually has 100 questions, and the amended notice did not specify how many were added, the letter said.
To our surprise there were actually 30 questions added and no additional time allotted, according to the Detectives letter. DCAS added almost one-third of the exam. Many of us were unable to complete the 130, I just completed 100. Not cool for DCAS to use us as an experiment for research questions.
The amended notice, issued Sept. 25, said, The multiple-choice test will contain additional questions which will be used for research purposes only. These questions will not count toward your test score and will not be included in the protest-review process. However, you should answer all questions in the test booklet.
The Detective found this unfair. Why are they experimenting at our expense during a real-time examination and expect us to answer all questions when in the past, that same amount of time has been allotted for 100 questions? Why would they amend this notice 2½ weeks before the exam and not clearly state the total amount of research questions?
Didnt Differentiate
The test does not differentiate between questions that count and research questions.
A spokesman for DCAS responded, The allotment of six hours for the exam was based on an assessment of the time reasonably required to complete the test with the additional questions. Candidates were given information prior to and at the test to help pace themselves in answering all of the questions.
Edward D. Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, said he wouldnt be surprised if a lawsuit results. The city always comes up with some way of screwing up these tests, he said. How do you deal with that?
The SBA is seeking to find out what was asked in the additional 30 questions, he said.
Mr. Mullins said he was further concerned about the low turnout for the test. Only 16-to-18 percent of those eligible took it, he said, as compared to his experience years ago when he took the test. The numbers were high, he said, adding that people even came in on their day off to take it.
The low turnout is an indication of poor morale, he said. People are not wanting to get promoted, he said. They see whats taking place in terms of accountability all the way up the department.
If the number of only 16-18% is correct considering only like 25,000 men and women are the rank of Police Officer that translates to only roughly 4500 which if the test was fair usually translates to a list below 800. Wow I'm curious as to see what the outcome of this list will be. Very unfortunate.
2011 exam 9000 signed up I and around 4500 took it 1663 passed
-- Edited by queensfinest on Wednesday 6th of November 2013 08:19:34 AM
I believe brat said at the time over 9000 signed up and about 8700 sat to take the exam. This equates to a 20% pass rate which falls in line with the usual 10-20% passing rate. 1663 out of 4500 would be 36% which sounds a little unprecedented.
8500 took it. Almost 10000 signed up for the 2011 exam. 1663 passed. It had a large percentage of numbers sign up and take it. And I completely didn't realize but when I factored the police rank who took the 2013 test the sba specifically said 16-18% of eligible police officers took it. That means the number is most likely below 4000 people taking it. I'm thinking this list will be no more than 500 people when you factor in the unfair test practices that DCAS took part in and the fact that even at the normal 15-20% pass rate it would only be around 750 and that's with a fair test.
-- Edited by Semp1 on Thursday 7th of November 2013 01:05:09 AM
2011 exam 9000 signed up I and around 4500 took it 1663 passed
-- Edited by queensfinest on Wednesday 6th of November 2013 08:19:34 AM
I believe brat said at the time over 9000 signed up and about 8700 sat to take the exam. This equates to a 20% pass rate which falls in line with the usual 10-20% passing rate. 1663 out of 4500 would be 36% which sounds a little unprecedented.
I dunno where I came up with the 8700 part. I can't see only half of the people who signed up taking the test though. $90 for a Saturday off in mid October... Dunno if it's exactly worth it.