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Hey Double H, I'm in the 550's. I hope we go in the summer. CAT has to keep us up to date.

im in 380's

Is there a class going in the same time the current bmoc returns to be promoted ? that date Being feb 27 th ?

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Time required is an eligibility factor. If they pass you bc of not having time means you were not eligible. I was told they do not have to come back for you, when a class goes in, they start from the top of the list and check the names still remaining. But if there is no class there is no class I was in the same boat.

Negative k.... u cannot die on the list due to of lack of time if they already skipped ur list #. that is a lawsuit. you r required to have 3 years on the job to take the test so that requirement was met and they cannot hold lack of time against you! however if u have less than 5 yrs and your list # HAS NOT been called yet then u can die on the list. BIG DIFFERENCE!

-- Edited by excessive force at 20:07, 2009-01-20

Keep in mind, if they passed you due to lack of time BUT you have or had some "issues" that have not been cleared by the expiration of the exam, you will die on that exam. Lawsuits will not make a difference.

People fail to realize their is always more to someone's story than they are willing to be forthcoming with. If you had initially been passed over due to lack of time but then met the time requirement and still passed over, you can bet in all probability they had "issues". The dept does not arbitrarily decide not to promote you when you meet all requirements.

If you didn't have college credits and they passed you and the list dies. Ur done. Why do you think it would be different for time. All things equal.

Like excessive force mention, when you signed up for the exam, it clearly states on the NOE you are required to have a minimum of 60 credits for promotion. 

Whoever allows college credits to be a factor in not getting promoted had ample time to get the required credits needed to meet requirements. They had atleast a year, if not more, from the time they announced the exam was being given, date required to sign up, took the exam, found out their score and the time it takes to get to their list number, to get your college credits inorder.

Shame on the person for allowing this to hold you back. They could of easily gotten credits from FEMA or thru excelsior.


-- Edited by Hazardous at 23:01, 2009-01-20

3 year rule to take the exam was imposed due to the fact, at the time, (1) they didnt give an exam every year (2) There wasn't 70 minimum imposed to be eligible, previously anyone who took the exam was eligible as long as the list didnt expire (3) It takes the 2 years for the exam to expire and at one time, it took the entire 2 years for the dept to get through a majority of the list to begin with and the last class was and is usually filled with those who were skipped over due to time, cleared from open ccrbs or for any other reason.

Now we are having an exam every year, 70 minimum imposed and barely anyone passing, the dept goes through the list in heart beat.


Also, way back when, you could have been promoted at 3 years but that was years ago.

-- Edited by Hazardous at 01:41, 2009-01-21

The exam expires 2 years from the date the list is populated, which is usually what 2 months after the actual exam date but you have to have 3 years on when you take the exam. So you had 3 years when you took the exam, you most definitly will have the time requirement when the exam expires.

-- Edited by Hazardous at 01:33, 2009-01-21

I can be wrong but the exam is populated approx 2 months after the actual date of the exam, after questions are challenged and thrown out but considering we are having an exam every year now, we don't see the actual list until much later when the previous exam is about to expire. The dept already knows how many actually passed and that is indicative if they will need to give another exam the following year. The number of people passing lately, the dept can promote within a year.  It's not like 1,000's are passing, if that was the case, the list would come out sooner rather than later and we would have fewer exams.

I am not sure about the rules but I believe their maybe a time limit on having 2 exam lists being active at the same time.

6513 expires in March 09 and the exam was given in January 07. 

excessive force wrote:

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Negative k.... u cannot die on the list due to of lack of time if they already skipped ur list #. that is a lawsuit. you r required to have 3 years on the job to take the test so that requirement was met and they cannot hold lack of time against you! however if u have less than 5 yrs and your list # HAS NOT been called yet then u can die on the list. BIG DIFFERENCE!

-- Edited by excessive force at 20:07, 2009-01-20

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Hey excessiveforce,  introduce me to someone who has won that lawsuit and I'll introduce you to the Easter Bunny.  If you do not meet the requirements..(including 5 years of service) and your list expires you are S.O.L.  (that does not stand for Special Ops Lieutenant either..haha)

 

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WOW wrote:

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excessive force wrote:

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Negative k.... u cannot die on the list due to of lack of time if they already skipped ur list #. that is a lawsuit. you r required to have 3 years on the job to take the test so that requirement was met and they cannot hold lack of time against you! however if u have less than 5 yrs and your list # HAS NOT been called yet then u can die on the list. BIG DIFFERENCE!

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Hey excessiveforce,  introduce me to someone who has won that lawsuit and I'll introduce you to the Easter Bunny.  If you do not meet the requirements..(including 5 years of service) and your list expires you are S.O.L.  (that does not stand for Special Ops Lieutenant either..haha)

 

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can u introduce me to Santa Clause instead?

The automated DCAS phone number states that list number 7508 was established 9/10/2008 and the list terminates 9/10/2012

I assume the termination date can be Jan 2010 (prior to 9/10/2012) when the last person on the list (number 671) has been called AND the people that were skipped because they did NOT have 5 years on become eligible (that would be hire dates of January 2005).

Hopefully they keep the promotions going at a fairly good rate. When BMOC was every other month the class sizes were about 50 people I think.

6513 will expire in March and unfortunately, the likelihood of anyone else being hired off of 6513, who isnt currently in BMOC, is not likely.

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Hazardous i think u probably have just created a shiit storm with that last line.

Exam 6513 will EXPIRE in march 2009.

Hazardous i think u probably have just created a shiit storm with that last line.
I dont believe I have nor do I think those who are left would be completely shocked if it is the case, only because, that has been somewhat definitive since the Jan BMOC went in.  Not that anything is ingrained in stone but Jan class is supposedly filled with all that was passed over from 6513 plus I believe 3 others that were already promoted but hadn't gone through bmoc for other reasons.  I believe the next class will be in March, skipping Feb, which would go back to someone else's statement of every other month having a bmoc class.

very simple no reason other then to mess with people ,plus there is 1 person who is out sick untill the end of feb .they wont kill the list and are leaving people on it that they need to justify keeping it active so everyone gets promoted.

LOL cat. I get stupider after reading every one of those posts

I can't stop laughing

This girl needs to get off this site.

I second that. I'd like to thank Commissioner Kelly, Insp. Jones and the entire CARB team for doing what was right. She deserves to be fired, never mind getting promoted. Believe me signmy28, they know they are saving this department future headaches. She will never, ever get promoted, PERIOD! IT'S A RAP!

double h, i would very much well like to know that info, since top pay cop makes more than me right now.  I am hearing a rumor that something in the spring is going to settle this issue.

Oh and what ever happened to the rumor of the new Sgt's starting at the 3rd tier? Has any new Sgt's seen the increase?

It's not a rumor! start at $76,000 third tier, you will make $1,000 more than cops top pay, until the SBA clears this issue with the city in a new contract.